I escaped the Reddit regime a little while ago. I consider myself a marxist-leninist-MZT. Vegetarian and vegan for a few years. I've a lot of thoughts on how marxism and veganism are connected. Never wrote them down. I'd like to start smth like a club for marxist vegans to develop our own proletarian theory. Most vegan theory I found is either openly bourgeois (Francione is a literal TERF) or revisionist (anti-China, anarchist, libertarian). How about fixing this?

  • Kirbywithwhip1987@lemmygrad.ml
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    5 days ago

    Forced is another thing altogether, mass slaughterhouses aren't humane because the animals suffer in them even before you're killed. Here it's just regular farming from villages, no one is forced to it, it's just day to day life.

    Then about smoking, regular cigarettes destroy health altogether and it's just baffling to me that they are legal while weed which actually helps with cancer and effects of treating it is illegal in most places.

    I kill bugs all the time idk if it counts, but I did when I was younger with my brother, it was for grill if I remember correctly. Did you kill the rabbit for food or? Because there is a certain species of rabbit which has a valuable wool(I forgot which one exactly) and they literally torture them by pulling off their wool while they're alive which is disgusting.

    • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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      5 days ago

      They are forced by their need to acquire meat. It's not the same coercion as under capitalist domination but I'd say that counts as being forced to kill by their material conditions. Slaughterhouses are definitely worse than barnyard slaughter, maybe the two can't be compared, but I don't think there've been studies about hunting or small scale animal husbandry. The mass suffering is also definitely worse, but death is its own kind of horror regardless of whether we suffer before our end or not.

      I killed for food, sort of. I was in Scouts and we did lots of camping trips where we'd do stuff like: start a fire without matches, make an improvised shelter for sleeping, learn how to treat hypo/hyperthermia in the bush, fish without a fishing pole, etc. I don't regret any of that, but that rabbit fucked me up. Killing and gutting fish isn't nice either, but I never had trouble sleeping because of it. Catching a rabbit and watching her struggle in the snare, breaking her neck, it was pretty horrible.

      As for bugs, maybe I'm not a True Vegan but as far as I'm concerned they're a natural and plentiful source of B12 in case the supply chain ever collapses and I need to survive entirely off of beans and rice. I'm not going to go out of my way to eat crickets as long as I can just eat fortified yeast, but I'd definitely feel a lot better about it than eating any mammals, birds, fish, etc.

      • Kirbywithwhip1987@lemmygrad.ml
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        5 days ago

        Yea slaughterhouses are definitely inhumane, but farms, hunting and livestock are normal here and we've been doing it since prehistory, so unless we can clone meat one day, that's just how we live.

        I don't eat rabbits specifically but yeah they are one of the animals people keep as pets and unless they're breeding uncontrollably on farms, I'm against it.

        Some white people are disgusted by eating bugs even though it's normal in many parts of the world(and they eat water bugs), I wouldn't have a problem with it, it's what these guys in survivalist shows in the wild do.