I escaped the Reddit regime a little while ago. I consider myself a marxist-leninist-MZT. Vegetarian and vegan for a few years. I've a lot of thoughts on how marxism and veganism are connected. Never wrote them down. I'd like to start smth like a club for marxist vegans to develop our own proletarian theory. Most vegan theory I found is either openly bourgeois (Francione is a literal TERF) or revisionist (anti-China, anarchist, libertarian). How about fixing this?

  • CarlMarks@lemmygrad.ml
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    4 days ago

    Hi! I think I said the opposite about budget (it doesn't make substantial changes to one), though it's a common false trope that going vegan is expensive so I can understand why you'd be on the lookout for it.

    Re: geographical variation, yes of course, which is one of the valuable parts of looking for material grounding. A bombed out place with food insecurity may both prevent a vegan from avoiding animal products to survive and will impact what people will focus on and prioritize. I don't think it's coincidental that the modern movement of veganism emerged and took off in the imperial core where food is subsidized without being undermined by imperialism and workers, on average, receive a greater level of purchasing power for their labor than those in imperialized countries (due to imperialism).

    For warm clothes, the possibility of making that devoid of animal products preceded veganism by a long period of time. Waxed canvas clothing was popular among those with access to it (sailors, those who worked outdoors in cold and wet conditions) and thick cotton garments like flannels (which didn't always have wool) were similarly popular. Both were only made popular through changes in production, of course, but they were fairly popular hundreds of years ago in parys of the world. But if you were in the far north and could not import cotton and oil, these were not options.

    Re: food security, that looks like a nice project! My thinking on food security was that its increase promotes veganism itself, it is a material basis for veganism even if the security itself is not explicitly vegan. Most vegans are converts, they started out non-vegan with non-vegan parents and became exposed to and convinced by materials against consuming animal products. I think the propensity to be convinced would be positively impacted by the relative availability of food, and particularly vegan food, so that it can be thought of as a consumption choice among others.

    • qcop [they/them]
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      4 days ago

      Ah sorry, I misunderstood what you were trying to say about budget. Thanks for the info regarding the clothing!

    • cwtshycwtsh@lemmygrad.ml
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      4 days ago

      This is exactly the kind of discussion around veganism I'd love to see more. Too often it gets incorrectly reduced into an awfully restrictive diet.

      • redtea@lemmygrad.ml
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        4 days ago

        In some ways my mostly vegan (sometimes vegetarian) diet is more varied than it was before. The flavour and prominence of meat was doing a lot of the heavy lifting in most meals. When you 'lose' that, you soon find better ways to flavour the plant side of things and that opens a lot of culinary doors.

        It only feels restrictive because most restaurants cater to meat eaters first and foremost. That, and because e.g. ready meals are 'for some reason' filled with unnecessary meat products (some of the other comments touch on what those reasons might be).