cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/3804525

Wow, things have changed since I last posted in /c/fediverse. Here are the top five most active instances based on monthly active users:

  • lemmy.world: 19516
  • lemm.ee: 3779
  • lemmy.ml: 2970
  • sh.itjust.works: 2355
  • feddit.de: 2293

Source: https://the-federation.info/platform/73

    • Psythik@lemm.ee
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      10 months ago

      I wish lemm.ee would block Hexbear. Fuck capitalism, but those people are nuts. They make MAGAts look good.

      EDIT: I used to be an active member of /r/LateStageCapitalism until I left reddit for good, but go ahead and keep assuming things about me.

      • robot_dog_with_gun [they/them]
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        10 months ago

        no we don't, you're just mad you aren't the noblest position possible and you lash out at us when we critique you from the left.

        • Tastysnack
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          10 months ago

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          • Psythik@lemm.ee
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            10 months ago

            Uh no. Quit putting words in my mouth.

            See my reply to the person you just replied to, cause I don't feel like typing this shit out twice.

        • Psythik@lemm.ee
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          10 months ago

          Uh what? I have no idea what any of that means.

          I just don't like Hexbear cause they claim to be communists yet constantly talk shit about liberals. Only MAGAts and Hexbear users hate liberals.

          I miss /r/LateStageCapitalism, a community made of actual communist liberals, unlike Hexbear which is just full of rage baiting trolls. But I'll never go back to reddit again.

          • Bnova [he/him]
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            10 months ago

            "Communist liberal" is incoherent nonsense. Liberalism is a capitalist ideology that promotes private ownership of the means of production, communism subsequently doesn't, they are contradictory ideologies.

            • Psythik@lemm.ee
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              10 months ago

              Things are not so black and white. It's possible to like ideas from both sides, without having to fully subscribe to a single idealogy.

              • Bnova [he/him]
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                10 months ago

                There is no third way in this context, either you want workers to own the means of production or you want Capitalists to. Liberals want Capitalists to, and some liberals want Capitalists to own less, but see no overall problem with the current relationship between workers and their exploited labor. Communists want workers to own the means of production by contrast, these are opposing ideologies.

          • robot_dog_with_gun [they/them]
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            10 months ago

            yeah magat... what trump supporters want universal healthcare, decommodification of housing, defunding the police, defunding the military, open borders, free college, and to send american war criminals to stand trial at the hague or in the countries they committed their crimes against?

            how illiterate do you have to be to hear what socialists want and think "yeah they support trump"?

      • MattsAlt [comrade/them]
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        10 months ago

        It's funny how for those who Hexbear is to their left, always use the critique of "they're crazy" then compare us to right wingers without fail.

        Absolutely no actual critique and the typical liberal understanding of politics that "there are only two teams, and if you're not on mine then you're on theirs"

        Please read a book

        • Throwaway@lemm.ee
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          10 months ago

          Thats because a lot of lemmy users see right wing as being evil.

          The reality is the right is not evil. Supporting genocidal dictators like Stalin and Mao is.

          • bagend
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            • Throwaway@lemm.ee
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              10 months ago

              The great leap forward.

              Here, read this. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/08/03/giving-historys-greatest-mass-murderer-his-due/

              • YEP [he/him]
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                10 months ago

                He sourcing from a book fairly widely discredited by academics. Adding on to the wildly discredited notion that the Soviet famine was intentional. Like this is literally cold war propaganda people were paroting in the 80s. Embarrassing

                • Fushuan [he/him]@lemm.ee
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                  10 months ago

                  Adding on to the wildly discredited notion that the Soviet famine was intentional

                  The fuck, have you ever heard of the Holodomor? Family members of people I know had people die of hunger because russian soldiers would confiscate all their food right before winter. Sick fucks.

                  • notceps [he/him]
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                    10 months ago

                    I get that you are lying to win the argument here and are just making shit up but no, it is incredibly well documented and looked at in incredibly boring books like 'The Years of Hunger: Soviet Agriculture, 1931–1933 (Industrialisation of Soviet Russia)' that literally digs through russian and ukranian archives and looks at seed data and is again incredibly boring but comes to the conclusion that the Soviet famine which I quote:

                    Our study of the famine has led us to very different conclusions from Dr Conquest’s. He holds that Stalin ‘wanted a famine’, that ‘the Soviets did not want the famine to be coped with successfully’, and that the Ukrainian famine was ‘deliberately inflicted for its own sake’. This leads him to the sweeping conclusion: ‘The main lesson seems to be that the Communist ideology provided the motivation for an unprecedented massacre of men, women and children. We do not at all absolve Stalin from responsibility for the famine. His policies towards the peasants were ruthless and brutal. But the story which has emerged in this book is of a Soviet leadership which was struggling with a famine crisis which had been caused partly by their wrongheaded policies, but was unexpected and undesirable. The background to the famine is not simply that Soviet agricultural policies were derived from Bolshevik ideology, though ideology played its part. They were also shaped by the Russian pre-revolutionary past, the experiences of the civil war, the international situation, the intransigeant circumstances of geography and the weather, and the modus operandi of the Soviet system as it was established under Stalin. They were formulated by men with little formal education and limited knowledge of agriculture. Above all, they were a consequence of the decision to industrialise this peasant country at breakneck speed.

                    Anyone should take some boring history book over 'a family member of a friend person I know'.

                    • Fushuan [he/him]@lemm.ee
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                      10 months ago

                      We do not at all absolve Stalin from responsibility for the famine. His policies towards the peasants were ruthless and brutal.

                      Your source directly states that those policies were real and that they happened. Soldiers confiscating food before winter and leaving farmers without any is not anything your source is denying.

                      Anyone should take some boring history book over ‘a family member of a friend person I know’.

                      Cool, I'll trust more my GF's grandma that had to live throught it. Thanks.

                      • notceps [he/him]
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                        10 months ago

                        lol yeah sure bud, it went from 'a family member of a person I know' to my 'GF's grandma had to live through it', which is something a person who is lying about this would do so uh congrats? Stop getting your history info from Jordan Peterson, actually stop watching Jordan Peterson and you might even get a real girlfriend.

                        • Fushuan [he/him]@lemm.ee
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                          my GF’s grandma that had to live through it is literally a family member of a person I know, I didn't want to explose too much info, and given your reaction, I shouldn't have. All it went was from low context to medium context, the info being the same.

                          It' seems like you have squared me as a white male American conservative (Jordan Peterson wtf...), so there's no point in discussing it more. All I'm going to reveal is that I'm from Spain, and my partner was born in Ukraine, which I'm sure can be extracted from my post history so there's no point in hiding that.

                          Also, quite funny that when I raise my points about your own quote, you attack my personal experience and call me a liar.

                          you might even get a real girlfriend

                          :) Anyway, have a nice day.

                          • notceps [he/him]
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                            10 months ago

                            Oh I get it you are more into Franco, please tell me how did that fictional encounter happen did your GF show up with her grandma one day and granny was like "you are her boyfriend let me tell you about...." because I have a good friend who's grandfather fought in the spanish civil war only I didn't find out about this through his grandma but him because this is the person I'm actually close to. That's why I know you are a liar, you can pretend all you want and add all the modifiers but I doubt it matters at this point it's not like you can back down from this extravagant lie.

                            • Fushuan [he/him]@lemm.ee
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                              10 months ago

                              because I have a good friend who’s grandfather fought in the spanish civil war only I didn’t find out about this through his grandma but him because this is the person I’m actually close to

                              You have a good friend? My grand parents fought on the civil war, and we lost. My family had to suffer through the Franco oppresion, I'm Basque for fuck's sake, Almost all of my family memebrs had to suffer thought the Franco opporesion, on the schools, on the streets... They had to work with with the communities so that the local language was not lost.

                              Ask your friend about the Ukranian immigration in Spain and Portugal, there's quite a lot of them and some of those now have Spaniard nationalities. Anyway, I don't get why I must defend myself, I get why American republicans are so good at what they do, if you attack nonstop you don't have to justify shit.

                              You are deraged, you have done nothing but attack the person instead of the idea, while calling me a liar nonstop. You must be a troll and while I enjoy reading on LGTB communities of hexbear, I fucking get why people want to defederate from hexbear, it's not the communism, it's you and people like you. Congrats.

                              Enjoy your bubble.

                  • YEP [he/him]
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                    10 months ago

                    I have heard of it that is why I referenced it, this argument has been raging for decades. The idea of a terror famine has been pushed in popular media even though it is not the common view held by experts in the field of study. I'll link one of the funnier exchanges on the subject in Getty's review of Conquest's harvest of sorrow (one of the more more widely cited sources in popular culture of the intentional famine narrative) in the London review of books.

                    https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v09/n02/j.-arch-getty/starving-the-ukraine

                    For context this was also written before western academics has access to the Soviet archives which further served to vindicate the Getty's criticism of the narrative.

                    No one denies that there was death and hardship. When you call something genocide you are saying there was a deliberate effort to eradicate a peoples, there isn't sufficient evidence of intentionality or malice to come to the conclusion of genocide. You can say there was a poorly planned and executed state policy(I personally think it could have been better handled) but it also ignores the global context of wide spread crop failures at the time, for example in the north American dust bowl or the West African famines (I'd argue you can make a much more substantiated claim of genocide in West Africa). It also ignores the material conditions that Soviet agriculture at the time was underdeveloped because of the serfdom under the tsars.

                    I don't expect us to reconcile but when your response is just my grandma says so you come off as unserious and that's why you are getting dunked on. In America a popular boomer conspiracy that people will attest to is that there were Jews celebrating when 9/11 happened it doesn't mean it's correct or should be taken seriously.

                • Throwaway@lemm.ee
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                  10 months ago

                  And this kinda shit is why it was a waste of everyones time for hexbear to federate with everyone. All you do is deny genocide and post poopy pig balls.

              • bagend
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        • Throwaway@lemm.ee
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          10 months ago

          God I am glad that emojis are broken right now. I never want to see more poopy pig balls, especially from people who lib is the far right.

          • SeventyTwoTrillion [he/him]
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            10 months ago

            liberals have universally allied with fascists over communists. the liberals in the Weimer Republic put Hitler in power, to give but one example. Churchill admired Hitler.

            Both liberals and fascists agree that capitalism is the bee's knees, they agree that most things should be privatized, they agree that people must be exploited by an elite. There's a common saying - "If you scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds," meaning that the second you exert even the slightest violence towards liberals or threaten to do so, they suddenly turn into fascist monsters, seemingly out of nowhere! Macron in France is a good current-day example - the riots have prompted him to turn France into ever more of a police state in which the pigs have unbelievable powers and surveillance. When America has been provoked by actions (many of which didn't even actually happen, e.g. the Gulf of Tonkin, the Nayirah testimony, etc (or those that did happen but didn't need to provoke an entire invasion in response, like 9/11) they start wars that kill hundreds of thousands, even millions.

            It's actually hard to describe exactly where liberals and fascists have opposing beliefs sometimes. I suppose where they differ is whether the cruelty should be more obscured or more out in the open? But you have to understand, the political dichotomy isn't and has never been "liberal vs conservative", because of those are on the side of the bourgeoisie in the class war. It's communists vs capitalists, and liberal, conservatives, fascists, even the more left-wing people in the American establishment like Warren and Bernie are on the side of the capitalists. We hold fundamental political beliefs that differ from liberals. Liberals do not differ in fundamental political beliefs from fascists. It's also why accusations of "horseshoe theory" are so hilarious to us.

          • SexMachineStalin [comrade/them]
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            10 months ago

            especially from people who lib is the far right

            Liberalism has always allied themselves with the far-right as an ideology that protects capital. We just know this because we read/study theory and have kept up with things going on around the world what with "liberals" and the "right" being quite similiar in views, especially recently. That being said,

            :horsepoo-theory:

      • Fushuan [he/him]@lemm.ee
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        10 months ago

        I wish it didn't block them. I can block individual instances and the instance of commenters is in plain view, just block them as you encounter them if they come of as too strong. They have some decent communities where sometimes there's interesting things to read. Basically only some of the LGTB ones but yeah.

    • ZiemekZ@lemm.ee
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      10 months ago

      And also blocks the word "removed".

      Try it if you don't believe me and have a Lemmy.world account.

  • coffee@lemm.ee
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    10 months ago

    How exactly is "active" measured?

    Logged in? Commenting? Posting? Net time spent on Lemmy?

    I feel like the metrics need to be a bit more refined to actually make a qualified statement.

    • fievel@lemm.ee
      hexagon
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      10 months ago

      I cross posted this because I felt like it somehow belonged here. Now I see your point, I look at the site and nothing state how are computed the metrics, this should be clarified in my opinion (now the stat site is open source so you can check yourself if you want).

      • coffee@lemm.ee
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        10 months ago

        Oh I didn't mean to criticise you posting it, just wanted to question the source. Sorry if it came across that way.

    • silent_water [she/her]
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      10 months ago

      it's just active user metrics, otherwise hexbear is top of the charts

    • Bongles@lemm.ee
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      10 months ago

      Didn't they defederate from some large instances until they get better moderation tools?

        • TWeaK@lemm.ee
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          10 months ago

          They are on the federation, and lemm.ee is still federated with them. They defederated from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works because they're a bit particular and didn't have the mod tools they wanted. They were never federated with hexbear.

  • Czarrie@lemm.ee
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    10 months ago

    I switched off of world because I got tired of my feed only working about 30% of the time. It had been extremely normal, to the point where I can't recall the last bit of downtime. Don't underestimate the ability to actually view content on lemmy as a driving factor here...

  • zoe@lemm.ee
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    10 months ago

    predicatble: lemm.ee is reliable: on the other hand shi.tjust.doesn't.work, and feddit.de has that walled garden beehaw vibe to it (tight moderation). i would predict discuss.tchncs.de would grow if it maintains good uptime record. also external factors could affect ranking like legal prosecutions when caching illegal content and ddos'es, like the other instances cant do much about those either

  • regalia@literature.cafe
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    10 months ago

    I migrated from lemm.ee a little while ago. I really liked it, but it got too popular and I'm hipster. So I gotta be unique with my new cool club instance, literature.cafe

  • Gamey@feddit.rocks
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    10 months ago

    Are Beehaw and Hexbear counted too? I feel like they probably would appear before feddit.de but maybe I am wrong.

    • silent_water [she/her]
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      10 months ago

      hexbear has ~1k users per month. we top the charts in comment volume but not users.

        • spectre [he/him]
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          10 months ago

          That's pretty much where we used to be on Reddit, like ~100k users, but top 20 most active or something like that lol

          • Gamey@feddit.rocks
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            10 months ago

            I think it's really cool that feddit.de has that much activity, I expected it to be far smaller than many others!