• figaro@lemdro.id
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    10 months ago

    Oh definitely. Education is important, and it is important to acknowledge the faults of your community. I make a point of being aware of the ugly parts of the past and present.

    Regarding Xinjiang - Arab League nations have a huge financial interest in staying on China's good side. I worry that the billions of dollars of investment creates a conflict of interest. It makes it difficult to see them as trustworthy in this particular matter.

    It also conflicts with the findings of the UN human rights office.

    I recognize that this isn't the most solid evidence, but my local kabob shop owner is Uyghur from that area. They say they left before it became bad, but they have friends and family who are experiencing what the UN office is saying firsthand.

    • ☭CommieWolf☆@lemmygrad.ml
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      10 months ago

      In regards to your local shop owner, you realize that Xinjiang was genuinely a dangerous place back in the day? And people leaving for their own safety doesn't automatically mean its the government's fault. There were terrorist attacks and radical extremists festering in the region until the government finally started taking steps to combat it, and its now safer than it has ever been.

    • brain_in_a_box [he/him]
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      10 months ago

      It also conflicts with the findings of the UN human rights office.

      So do claims of genocide, but you'll make those anyway.

      • figaro@lemdro.id
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        10 months ago

        It says it "may constitute international crimes, in particular crimes against humanity."

        At least it's not genocide? Lol

        • brain_in_a_box [he/him]
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          10 months ago

          "May" being the operative word.

          Though yes, crimes against humanity is very difference to genocide, which is the reason the west has been so desperate to frame it as a genocide; because western countries commit crimes against humanity on a daily basis, to the point that their population don't even flinch at it any more. Thus, a more extreme accusation is needed.

          • figaro@lemdro.id
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            10 months ago

            Those were a lot of words to not say "crimes against humanity are bad."

            I'm not saying I want you to admit it is happening, I guess I'm just saying it would be cool if you could see that it is a bit sus that only the countries benefitting from direct Chinese investment are saying there is nothing wrong, while other international investigations are being blocked.

            If there is nothing wrong happening, and everyone is happy to be there, why can't journalists do real investigations on it and clear the air?

            • brain_in_a_box [he/him]
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              10 months ago

              Those were a lot of words to not say "crimes against humanity are bad."

              Oh, so we're just straight up putting words in each others' mouths then. OK

              I'm not saying I want you to admit it is happening, I guess I'm just saying it would be cool if you could see that it is a bit sus that only the countries benefitting from direct Chinese investment are saying there is nothing wrong, while other international investigations are being blocked.

              That's a lot of words to say "I'm a stupid moron with an ugly face and a big butt and my butt smells and I like to kiss my own butt"

    • autismdragon [he/him, comrade/them]
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      10 months ago

      Regarding Xinjiang - Arab League nations have a huge financial interest in staying on China's good side. I worry that the billions of dollars of investment creates a conflict of interest. It makes it difficult to see them as trustworthy in this particular matter.

      Its interesting to me that you asked about international investigations, but when they were provided, you found a way to reject it (saying that global south countries are inherently untrustworthy because of financial incentives.)

      Like, what you asked for was provided. It was just not from countries that count as "international community" to you.

      • figaro@lemdro.id
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        10 months ago

        The UN contradicts those findings, and if they had nothing to hide, why don't they just open it all up to journalists to do investigations and clear the air?

        • brain_in_a_box [he/him]
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          10 months ago

          The UN contradicts those findings

          It really doesn't.

          why don't they just open it all up to journalists to do investigations and clear the air?

          "If Iraq doesn't have WMDs, why doesn't he just open it all up to journalists to do investigations and clear the air?"