This is why some of us are suggesting that we intervene now before they get too big to change course. There is still an opening.
although the attacks in your OP
Not my attacks. My criticisms are of a different nature.
DSA fundamentally offers no anti-capitalist future.
As it currently exists, yes. I think that there is an opportunity to change the fundamentals of the DSA now (probably not on the national level, but there are comrades at the branch level for sure) while they are still "small". If it doesn't happen soon, then the Marxists membership of the DSA should figure out among themselves what to do next. I am in full agreement that the PSL is going to be more effective as it's currently organized.
Yeah. I keep spamming my more detailed thoughts on this position, so please bring more criticisms in the comments of that if you want. I like that I can tell my "socialish" friends who want to "actually do something" beyond voting to go to the same place that I'm involved in. They get an educational opportunity being around the various tendencies and working groups, and hopefully I can contribute to steering the branch in the right direction.
I'd never suggest someone do one thing or the other over PSL or any left-group (I disagree with our comrade above who opened the conversation with "DSA>PSL"). If someone has their mind set on something, I'm all for it! This is all regionally based anyway, unfortunately. Different groups are going to be more effective (or existent) in different areas). If someone is looking for an opinion on where to spend their time, however, I have one!
This is why some of us are suggesting that we intervene now before they get too big to change course. There is still an opening.
Not my attacks. My criticisms are of a different nature.
As it currently exists, yes. I think that there is an opportunity to change the fundamentals of the DSA now (probably not on the national level, but there are comrades at the branch level for sure) while they are still "small". If it doesn't happen soon, then the Marxists membership of the DSA should figure out among themselves what to do next. I am in full agreement that the PSL is going to be more effective as it's currently organized.
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Yeah. I keep spamming my more detailed thoughts on this position, so please bring more criticisms in the comments of that if you want. I like that I can tell my "socialish" friends who want to "actually do something" beyond voting to go to the same place that I'm involved in. They get an educational opportunity being around the various tendencies and working groups, and hopefully I can contribute to steering the branch in the right direction.
I'd never suggest someone do one thing or the other over PSL or any left-group (I disagree with our comrade above who opened the conversation with "DSA>PSL"). If someone has their mind set on something, I'm all for it! This is all regionally based anyway, unfortunately. Different groups are going to be more effective (or existent) in different areas). If someone is looking for an opinion on where to spend their time, however, I have one!