Hot take: Even if they did steal tech from US companies, who cares? I don't just say that about China supposedly stealing from the US, I think corporate espionage in general is by no means unethical, for either side and any other party. I'm against patents and trade secret legislation as a whole, and even most of the noncommunists on Lemmy claim to also be against them, so I ask you what makes this different? When we get corporate infighting like this, the consumer (AKA, us) wins as more competitive, improved, and better tailored options pop up especially for niches that the original did not serve very well. For the vast majority of human history, "stealing" of technology and unrelated parties taking and modifying it was not just common, it was inevetable. If you invent something, start selling it, and someone else decided to imitate it and also start selling it, up until just a few generations ago that was seen as a normal part of the development process and no one would have batted an eye, and it led to improvements in the technology, including some of the most important inventions from the pre-capitalist age. The phenomenon of corporations withholding technology for profit with the backing of the law is an extremely recent thing, and why should we be defending it in any form again?
Turns out it was tech transfers that these dumbasses were signing all along. Meaning they made a deal...they got to exploit China's labor force and China got legal access to their IP.
They really can't be stealing tech from us companies. In almost all cases they just bought it from some college. Our tax dollars paid for it and companies have it represent that value of it being stolen. If China takes it and makes better products we can buy that us actually a good return on investment for us.
It is just a usual expression of Western ego. They ignore the shoulders of giants they stand on, the collective humanity which has enabled them to add their grain of sand, and then demand to be recognized as a god for their miniscule contribution to this millenias long process.
The USSR achieved virtually every space race first except landing a man on the moon. And that was after ~30 years that included two world wars, a civil war + invasion by the premier world powers of the day, and a starting point of a largely pre-industrial backwater.
I'm honestly amicable at this point to the conspiracy that the pig fuckers faked the moon landing. It wouldn't be the first massive deception they have committed.
Which is hilarious because the capitalists always argue that innovations requires capitalism. They particularly like to point at smartphones, yet cell phones themselves were created in the USSR. Space race? USSR by almost every meaningful metric. The obvious ones people know about, but the USSR are STILL the only country to ever land on Venus.
A few others include:
Medical innovations: The world's first artifical heart, the world's first lung transplant, the world's first liver transplant, cadaveric blood transfusions. All USSR.
Pressure suits and underwater welding? USSR.
Electronic Cigarettes (some people argue the benefits but this is the only thing that helped me quit smoking). China.
Synthetic bovine insulin? China.
Meningitis B Vaccine? Cuba.
Freaking lung cancer vaccine (still in testing admittedly). Cuba.
Capitalists shut down innovation unless they can profit from it. I would argue most of our greatest achievements have been thanks to socialism.
And yet they are accused of only stealing tech. Socialist ingenuity will weather any isolation!
Hot take: Even if they did steal tech from US companies, who cares? I don't just say that about China supposedly stealing from the US, I think corporate espionage in general is by no means unethical, for either side and any other party. I'm against patents and trade secret legislation as a whole, and even most of the noncommunists on Lemmy claim to also be against them, so I ask you what makes this different? When we get corporate infighting like this, the consumer (AKA, us) wins as more competitive, improved, and better tailored options pop up especially for niches that the original did not serve very well. For the vast majority of human history, "stealing" of technology and unrelated parties taking and modifying it was not just common, it was inevetable. If you invent something, start selling it, and someone else decided to imitate it and also start selling it, up until just a few generations ago that was seen as a normal part of the development process and no one would have batted an eye, and it led to improvements in the technology, including some of the most important inventions from the pre-capitalist age. The phenomenon of corporations withholding technology for profit with the backing of the law is an extremely recent thing, and why should we be defending it in any form again?
Libs be like: IP laws suck and should be abolished unless my political enemies want something I have
Capitalists don't like it when China "steals" their IP, but never seem to want to pay back royalties on gunpowder, paper, printing, and the compass.
Curious.
Turns out it was tech transfers that these dumbasses were signing all along. Meaning they made a deal...they got to exploit China's labor force and China got legal access to their IP.
Signs away IP
"How dare they steal my IP!"
They really can't be stealing tech from us companies. In almost all cases they just bought it from some college. Our tax dollars paid for it and companies have it represent that value of it being stolen. If China takes it and makes better products we can buy that us actually a good return on investment for us.
It is just a usual expression of Western ego. They ignore the shoulders of giants they stand on, the collective humanity which has enabled them to add their grain of sand, and then demand to be recognized as a god for their miniscule contribution to this millenias long process.
The USSR achieved virtually every space race first except landing a man on the moon. And that was after ~30 years that included two world wars, a civil war + invasion by the premier world powers of the day, and a starting point of a largely pre-industrial backwater.
I'm honestly amicable at this point to the conspiracy that the pig fuckers faked the moon landing. It wouldn't be the first massive deception they have committed.
Nah, that's crank shit.
Which is hilarious because the capitalists always argue that innovations requires capitalism. They particularly like to point at smartphones, yet cell phones themselves were created in the USSR. Space race? USSR by almost every meaningful metric. The obvious ones people know about, but the USSR are STILL the only country to ever land on Venus.
A few others include:
Medical innovations: The world's first artifical heart, the world's first lung transplant, the world's first liver transplant, cadaveric blood transfusions. All USSR.
Pressure suits and underwater welding? USSR.
Electronic Cigarettes (some people argue the benefits but this is the only thing that helped me quit smoking). China.
Synthetic bovine insulin? China.
Meningitis B Vaccine? Cuba.
Freaking lung cancer vaccine (still in testing admittedly). Cuba.
Capitalists shut down innovation unless they can profit from it. I would argue most of our greatest achievements have been thanks to socialism.
And even when capitalist countries invent something useful, 99% of the time it is done in the PUBLIC SECTOR 🙄