Now im no apple shill. So much so that I quietly laugh on the inside whenever I see someone flexing their overpriced, overdesigned, overmarketed apple bs. But..... From what we can tell from early reviewers, the new M1 based apple hardware blows every conventional pc out of the water, especially when it comes to power per watt. Even non-native apps seem to run about as fast through rosetta as they did on last gen macs, which is insane if you ever ran x86 code on ARM or vice versa. And they are only getting better with new hardware iterations and the arrival of more arm native software. At the same time they are locked down as fuck; i don't expect we'll see someone being able to run linux on them anytime soon.
In all honesty - and it brings me no joy to say this - i think apple just won the personal computing game. Especially if they start releasing some lower priced hardware next year. I don't see MS keeping up, and expect them to be limited to office environments. What's your 2 cents? will we see another ARM windows push? Will windows just give up? how will this change computing in the long run?
The thing is they are doing it at 3 ghz (allegedly) instead of 4.5 in single core, so arm will probably win flat out if it scales to those frequencies.
Well yeah, but they aren't keeping it at 3ghz for fun, it's because if they went beyond 3ghz they would use more energy and generate more heat with their process.
If you want your processor to be able to boost a core to higher frequencies, you really need to design it that way, both for heat but also for timing issues.
Yeah, I mean to my mind this is the question, can it ramp to 4.2-4 ghz with higher voltages to say 40 w, or the underlying timing or sync will go to shit. If it can, than it would outperform zen3 cores, no?
If it is feasible, than they have roughly 30 % headroom to explore, if it can’t - well at least tdp is interesting.
Not really, it's slower multicore than a 15W Zen 2 chip at 28W, and going from 3ghz to 4ghz would likely take it to 50+W where it would just get completely murdered by Zen 2, let alone Zen 3.
As it is, it's trading blows with Zen 2 at 7nm in single core at similar wattages, behind in multi-core, so it really doesn't stand a chance against Zen 3, even at a 25% higher clock speed and twice the power.
And that's with Zen having so much more I/O.