Awkward? You'll see how quickly Euros will turn on Ukrainians. They'll have the nerve to demand explanations for why these refugees don't want to fight. Euros will then try to enlighten them, as to why Ukrainian refugees throwing themselves at minefields is their duty. When these refugees refuse to do so, anger will follow. They'll be accused of being Russian spies, forcefully conscripted and the ones who can hide will probably have to live clandestinely in slave like conditions.
With news that any Ukrainian can be a double agent for Putin, public support for Ukraine will continue to deteriorate and Ukraine will be left to fend for itself.
Nah, if there's anything I've learned this last year it's that the sheep will never turn on their precious Ukrainians. Not that I think they should, but support for this war is so utterly artificial that I can't comprehend the news switching up like that.
it’s that the sheep will never turn on their precious Ukrainians.
They won't turn on the government, they don't actually care about the people (or they would be pushing for peace accords). If the AFU comes around asking them to deport refugees back so that they can be conscripted, they will probably glady do so. Because of course the brave plucky Ukrainians must want to fight. Anyone who doesn't must be a Russian sympathizer/not a real Ukrainian.
They sort-of are. I heard from a czech guy that his family back there are complaining about refugee crime.
It was weird hearing it because usually you'd expect that sort of rhetoric to follow
Idk if his relatives listen to Czech version of fox News or what but it was surprising.
There are a lot of tensions with the Ukrainian refugees in Europe already actually. Here's one example. We also see tensions over stuff like cheap grain from Ukraine affecting farmer profits. There was an initial euphoria accepting refugees because everybody thought the war would be over in a few months. Now that reality is starting to sink in, the public is starting to sour on the whole thing. The fact that Europe is going into a recession is also feeding into this. People are seeing their standard of living drop, and they're becoming increasingly resentful of Ukrainians now. We're also seeing right wing nationalist parties starting to get a lot of support in many European countries.
I think the reality is that when push comes to shove Europeans are going to throw Ukrainians to the curb without thinking twice about it.
If this becomes common knowledge, the western left is going to once again show their true faces.
Without a doubt, we'll see people who call themselves "socialists" arguing that the Ukrainians who fled the country are - in some way - in the wrong and should be sent back. I've already seen them argue that Russians who've moved to Western countries should be arrested, simply because they're Russian. And these are the people who call us "Red Fascists"? Fuckers literally argue for the mass arrest of an ethnic group, because the government that represents them is an enemy of the West.
Europe treating Russians like the US treated the Japanese would be the logical end point of the rhetoric that Russians are Asian.
Unironically yet more proof that Belarus and Russia are the only ones who actually care about helping and protecting Ukrainians. The West are happy to send every last one of them into the meat grinder for a chance at hurting Russia.
I've seen a lot of Twitter accounts (mostly NAFOs of course) that are all for sending the "cowards" to the front line to die. Even the most empathetic ones are saying that they shouldn't do that, not because it's wrong, but because they wouldn't be reliable meat for the grinder.
The biggest justificiationg I can find is that it's okay because they're "criminals."
Everytime I ask a NAFO why they aren't volunteering I either get radio silence or spammed by their shitty memes.
Here is a not so nice thought: These people are not (necessarily) refugees.
I mean that, as defined by the 1967 protocol1 (which is mostly just the 1951 conventions2 definition, but without the time limitation). Therefore the right to non-refoulment (i.e. not returning a person to their prior country) does not apply to them. The EU has a lesser definition "subsidiary protection"3 which these people
domight[?] qualify for (as it includeswar"serious and individual threat to a civilian’s life or person by reason of indiscriminate violence in situations of international or internal armed conflict"), but as far as I can read, the directive does not define any rights for these people. So the exact things a person under subsidiary protection is afforded is up to the individual country. I am probably missing some "laws", but otherwise there is, legally as far as these "laws" go, nothing wrong, with‒e.g.‒Germany (assuming German law doesn't define non-refoulment for S.P.) returning Ukrainians to Ukraine.
1 https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=0800000280048bb8&clang=_en
2 https://treaties.un.org/Pages/showDetails.aspx?objid=080000028003002e&clang=_en
3 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/en/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32011L0095Definition as modified by the 1967 protocol:
owing to well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country ; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it
And that means that it's going to be very easy for western governments to start deporting them back to Ukraine. Given that there are a lot of political tensions in Europe over the issue, it's going to be a really easy choice once Ukraine starts trying to recall these people.
Accepting these people would be a really smart move on the part of Russia. It would show that Russia is fighting the regime in Ukraine as opposed to the people, and it would be incredibly demoralizing for people who got conscripted into Ukrainian army.
Accepting these people would be a really smart move on the part of Russia. It would show that Russia is fighting the regime in Ukraine as opposed to the people, and it would be incredibly demoralizing for people who got conscripted into Ukrainian army.
Yeah it would be an absolute PR coup for Russia. It would almost certainly turn into more surrenders and defections from Ukrainian units once word filters down to the front about how family members of Ukrainian conscripts have been settled in Russia and the feral orks aren't eating their skulls or whatever.
Yeah it would be an absolute PR coup for Russia.
Which is why it won't be done lmao. Russian government is pretty shit at this kind of PR. Plus there would be a concern over SBU fucks sneaking in, AFAIK already were cases.
Plus, given how Russian government treats Russian "immigrants" from former republics (as in, Russian nationals who were living in USSR and wanted to "repatriate" after 1991). Let's just say I wouldn't get my hopes up
The solution, like it is to a lot of problems, is to export to China.
China has a massive security apparatus that frankly has been underused ever since they eviscerated CIA presence in the country.
Also, China could use some young people to even out the demographics a bit, particularly young people who haven't been culturally conditioned to not have too many children.
Exporting people from a completely different cultural background, with no knowledge of the local language, to somewhere that already has intense population density? Not sure it's a good idea, chief
Nitter link since TankieReplyBot didn’t do it:
https://nitter.net/djuric_zlatko/status/1699441484695572811
Did he really have to post that video from a poolside bar? Unbothered, talking about having beers.
