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"we" are much larger than the tiny ruling class, so "we" could stop them if we had the will. We dont, so it's on us too. Lack of action is a decision as well.
They are a logic pedant and misanthrope. They only care about the word "we" being used. They dont actually care about the decision or whether the larger "we" is culpable or not.
They think misanthropy is "rational" and enlightened truth
Awww I'm sorry. Life's hard, I know. Don't worry though, it'll only get worse :-)
No economic system is sustainable or unsustainable. They just don't pertain to that. Concerns of sustainability requires ethics or judicial system. If anything, socialism is less sustainable than capitalism because it eliminates distributive injustices that cause a reduction of productivity. For example, capitalists would hoard land to seek ransoms in exchange of its access. This causes land unaffordability and under usage. If socialism eliminates that, more land might be used and there might be more environmental destruction as a result. So you need a system that protects land from environmental degradation. Socialism doesn't do that by itself. You need specific laws to protect the environment.
We want socialism because it's more fair and isn't literal extortion like capitalism is, not because it's more sustainable. We also want sustainability, so we want a strong and fair judicial system to go with our social economic system.
One of the core problems with capitalism is that it's fundamentally based on growth and consumerism. Companies need to constantly sell products in order to continue to operate and this leads to things like planned obsolescence where goods are intentionally manufactured to break so that new ones could be sold. This is just one of countless examples of perverse incentives that capitalism creates.
On the other hand, socialism creates a completely different incentive structure. Things are produced based on societal needs, and producing things is seen as a cost. This creates incentive to make things that last, and that can be repaired. Here's a great article explaining how this worked in practice in USSR.
So, while socialism alone doesn't ensure sustainability, it doesn't create perverse incentives that capitalism creates, and it makes it possible to have a sustainable economy.
Great read! Drives home just how bad it is when companies design things to be disposable.
For example, capitalists would hoard land to seek ransoms in exchange of its access. This causes land unaffordability and under usage. If socialism eliminates that, more land might be used and there might be more environmental destruction as a result.
I don't think that's true. Underused land is not necessarily protected, for example, you can dump chemical waste on a plot of land and that makes you money without developing it. Industrialized farming uses a lot of pesticides and takes up a huge amount of land without caring too much about individual plants bc of quantity over quality. Meanwhile people still have to live and work somewhere, and there's no guarantee that that somewhere will be less environmentally destructive.
I would agree that socialism has potential to be ecologically destructive but I disagree that capitalism does anything innately that protects the environment.
but I disagree that capitalism does anything innately that protects the environment.
I say that neither socialism nor capitalism do anything to attain sustainability.
