• pingveno@lemmy.ml
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    10 months ago

    Carbon offsets working is when they make it so that producing carbon is expensive enough to change how companies behave. Of course, that could be done better with a number of other schemes like a carbon tax (with or without rebate)

        • sammer510 [none/use name]
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          10 months ago

          And carbon offsets are really stemming the flow of climate change huh

          Fossil fuel profiteers should be killed if for no other reason than the fact that they deserve it

        • Helmic [he/him]
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          10 months ago

          I mean, it works by your logic. Carbon caps are very easy to game and continue to fail to change behavior, as shell companies simply "sell" their credits to others. Meanwhile, sabotage materially - as in not on paper, but physically in rhe flesh and blood world - makes polluting more expensive, because equipment gets damaged, needs repaired, and might not get repaired. Even supressing it isn't free, because cops and bribes lobbying costs money and as we saw in the 2020 uprisings the cops cannot be everywhere at once.

          Were there a protacted, popular campaign of sabotage that called the state's bluff, there simply wouldn't be enough police or resources to actually make any of this profitable. Actual concessions would have to be made by governments and corporations. This is why the state has been so spectacularly violent against climate acticists despite even green scare "ecoterrorists" simply tying themselves to trees - it actually works. The state belongs to corporations and corporations aren't going to just let us do shit that meaningfully undermines them, if they are actively suggesting the solutions themselves then it's because they know it won't require them to do something they don't want.

      • pingveno@lemmy.ml
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        10 months ago

        Like what zero carbon economic system? Or is this yet another case where communism just is assumed to magically work?

        • Call Me Mañana@lemmy.ml
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          26 days ago

          When we no longer have an irrational need to increase profits, it becomes much easier to change production lines to emit less and less carbon.

          China, by the way, is the leader in clean energy, despite being the country with the most emissions, which is simply explained by the fact that it was until recently also the country with the largest population in the world.

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