• Shishnarfne [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    You're joking, but Deleuze wasn't:

    I cannot give any positive value to pleasure, because pleasure seems to me to interrupt the immanent process of desire; pleasure seems to me to be on the side of strata and organisation; and it is in the same movement that desire is presented as internally submitted to law and externally interrupted by pleasures; in the two cases, there is negation of a field of immanence proper to desire. I tell myself that it is no accident if Michel [Foucault] attaches a certain importance to Sade, and myself on the contrary to Masoch. It's not enough to say that I am masochistic, and Michel sadistic. That would be good, but it's not true. What interests me in Masoch is not the pain, but the idea that pleasure comes to interrupt the positivity of desire and the constitution of its field of immanence (as also, or rather in another way, in courtly love - constitution of a field of immanence or of a body without organs where desire lacks nothing, and guards itself as much as possible from the pleasures which would come and interrupt its process). Pleasure seems to me to be the only means for a person or a subject to "find themselves again" in a process which overwhelms them. It is a re-territorialisation.

    • RNAi [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      What zero pussy DO does to a mf, huh

      They start talking about potatoes and shit

    • ViveLaCommune [any]
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      4 years ago

      for those interested, this comes from "Désir et plaisir, lettre de Deleuze à Michel Foucault en 1977" (letters from Deleuze to Foucault).

      Thank you comrade, it's exactly the text I need right now.

          • Shishnarfne [comrade/them]
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            4 years ago

            It's not my cup of tea either. Maybe study Wilhelm Reich? He thought orgasms were necessary in the fight against fascism, which was based on sexual repression.

              • Shishnarfne [comrade/them]
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                4 years ago

                I'm not saying you should pick your authors based on the conclusions you prefer, just pointing out that there are other views on the relation between sexuality and politics.

                  • Shishnarfne [comrade/them]
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                    4 years ago

                    Desire in Deleuze's work is a machine that continually produces fantasies, experimentation, "lines of flight", that challenges everything that gets in its way, so it does have revolutionary potential. Pleasure stops the machine. Eternal self-repression isn't the answer though, because desire is supposed to be productive.