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Please don't conflate markets, products and services with capitalism. That's yee old liberal con. Capitalism is a modern invention and it's all about speculation, non-existent liquidity, shell and shelf companies and bringing back usury run amok, what would have people burned at the stake during Jesus times.
Those things wouldn't be possible in Jesus' time because the mechanisms fir them could not exist without more modern forms of communication and transport.
this argument is not so strong though the issue there was that they were doing business in the temple. There are many many verses and themes in Jesus's teaching, the rest of the new testament, and old testament that while capitalism didn't yet exist to criticise very explicitly critique and reject the moral and philosophical basis for capitalism.
And while Socialism didn't exist yet a lot of proto-socialist groups and movements such as the 1381 peasants revolt and diggers (who are arguably the origin of anarchism) had explicit Christian origins so similarities between Christian religious values and Socialist values are no coincidence
Capitalism wasn't a thing back then but don't let the subtleties and context of the events stop you from your conclusion that Jesus would not like capitalism because he clearly would not on any level think it is OK.
yeah based on what Jesus did say about wealth, fair treatment of others and community it is reasonable to deduce that He wouldn't have been pro capitalist.
Seriously he's the "if you have two shirts and you see a guy who needs a shirt give him yours" guy. He wouldn't like the "but i need two shirts more than the guy needs one" guy.
Adding on to this.
Oppression of the Poor and Injustice to the Wage Earner are two of the four Sins that Cry to Heaven for Vengeance.
Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you.
Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten.
Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days.
Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.
Jimmy's 5th chapter.
First off, Jesus isn't against Capitalism. He never said that selling things wasn't allowed. Get your facts right.
Jesus wasn’t against capitalism because capitalism didn’t exist when he was alive. However, he was pretty clearly against people getting rich at the expense of others which is at the core of capitalism. Have you even bothered to read the other comments on here? In addition, your definition of capitalism is wrong. One more thing, Jesus wasn’t against selling things. He pretty clearly said “sell your possessions and give to the poor.”
However, he was pretty clearly against people getting rich at the expense of others which is at the core of capitalism.
How did you know? Which verse says that? Jesus's only issue with the people selling fish were that they were selling it in the temple of God. Otherwise, he wouldn't have cared. In the Bible, he has never spoken a word against tax collectors, much less Capitalists. Proof?
Sis, I’ve been sending you quotes like these for at least a week. “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.” - matthew 6:24
“Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” - Matthew 19:24
“Open your mouth, judge righteously, defend the rights of the poor and needy.” - proverbs 31:9
“And when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, nor shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the Lord your God.” - Leviticus 23:22
“ For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.” - 1 Timothy 6: 10
Go read the Lemmygrad comments too.
I meant...like....I mean, Jesus only encountered them once. That one time.
He was always talking about how the rich can’t get into heaven and the poor deserve more. It’s important to note that this is the only time he openly got angry at anyone, and also as someone in this thread pointed out, he fashioned a whole whip to do it, which took time.
Lol, just because people claim to be something doesn’t make them so. Elon Musk is a hypocrite , a racist, a transphobe, a benefactor of slavery, and a massive exploiter, of course Jesus wouldn’t approve. Would Jesus have approved of Chattel slavery in the US because southerners used Christianity to justify their way of life? Jesus isn’t out here whipping people anymore. He made it pretty clear that the punishment for exploitation and cruelty on earth is spiritual suffering. “It is easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle than a rich man to get into heaven.” Elon Musk does not appear to be happy now, and I’m sure if hell exists, he’s going there.
Jesus also said "For the fool says in his heart, there is no God". Most Communists are atheists. So...you know where I'm headed with this sentence.
Christians were the first communists, and today regardless of religious affiliation communists tend to be better at upholding Christian values than the average “Christian.” I don’t even know why I bother with you at this point.
Mathew 19 23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”
Also, why bring up tax collectors? Not related at all.
Clearly, America delenda est.
from the bible "Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. "
hear we have a verse where underpaying workers is linked with the displeasure of God. Not only that but the actual profit itself is the source of condemnation and punishment
