The big difference is in stability. Scooters are insanely unstable compared to bikes, for complicated reasons I don't fully understand, but I think have something to do with where the centre of gravity is, and how the geometry of the forks help force them into self-righting.
The danger scooters provide to their own riders is much higher than bikes. And because of this, I suspect riders are forced to spend a lot more attention on that, which means they have less attention to spare and are more likely to endanger others.
Would they? Riding bikes is taught quite early on in most kids lives, and the bigger wheels and more room for suspension makes me inclined to believe that there's less chance of being thrown off an ebike because of a shitty footpath or bad turn, at least for a basic commuter type bike. You've also got to be putting some effort in to get over 20km/h, ebike throttles are supposed to be limited to walking speed. I dont have firsthand experience with escooters, though, so theres a chance I may be missing something here.
Ebikes can't have throttles, pedal assist only, in Qld.
The pedal assist can be in effect up to 25 km/h, the same as the escooter speed limit.
Over 20 km/h on a push bike is very easy. In fact I'd call 20 the hard minimum, and on a downhill especially it's actually quite awkward to go slower than that. On the flat with no wind I'd be calling about 24 km/h a comfortable standard speed for a slow rider. More like 30 as a basic comfortable cruising speed for a strong rider.
What you say about wheels and escooter safety is basically correct though, to my knowledge.
You're allowed to go up to 6km/h using the motor but without pedal assistance, according to the Qld Transport website, which I assume means you can use a throttle here..
I'm a regular cyclist, both electric and non-electric, so I know exactly what you mean about the ease of cruising at those speeds. I've got a torque sensor ebike where you have to use your legs a bit, and forgot about how little effort is required on a cadence sensor ebike like I think the rental ebikes here use. I've been wanting to do a ride with my non-cycling partner, her on the ebike. That may educational, since she seems to be more the target audience for rental escooters and might have a different perspective, whereas we seem to be more experienced on 2 wheels
You’ve also got to be putting some effort in to get over 20km/h
i ride regular bikes and an ebike and while getting to the 25km/h cutoff on the ebike is easy thanks to the assist, going much faster is very much harder as the bike itself is incredibly heavy (compared to a normal bike), so cruising along at 20-25km is both comfortable and easy, plus safe. as cool as it would be to be able to go faster with motor assist, idiots would ruin it
Regular rider here too. I forgot about the cadence sensor ebikes that you can basically ghost pedal to the engine cut-off. I'd still argue that it's more effort than twisting a throttle, but that's just me being pedantic. My ebike rides don't even trip the auto workout function on my watch.
I'd love the 32 km/h limit from NZ, you definitely feel the weight when you hit 26 km/h on a heavy bike with fairly wide gear spacing. Still, all it'll take is one accident taken out of context for the pitchforks to come out
don't need that much roads or heavy bridges, dont need 2 tons of metal 😍
i suspect bikes would injure just as much if people who dont ride them otherwise will use them at 30 kmh outside of bikelanes
The big difference is in stability. Scooters are insanely unstable compared to bikes, for complicated reasons I don't fully understand, but I think have something to do with where the centre of gravity is, and how the geometry of the forks help force them into self-righting.
The danger scooters provide to their own riders is much higher than bikes. And because of this, I suspect riders are forced to spend a lot more attention on that, which means they have less attention to spare and are more likely to endanger others.
Would they? Riding bikes is taught quite early on in most kids lives, and the bigger wheels and more room for suspension makes me inclined to believe that there's less chance of being thrown off an ebike because of a shitty footpath or bad turn, at least for a basic commuter type bike. You've also got to be putting some effort in to get over 20km/h, ebike throttles are supposed to be limited to walking speed. I dont have firsthand experience with escooters, though, so theres a chance I may be missing something here.
Ebikes can't have throttles, pedal assist only, in Qld.
The pedal assist can be in effect up to 25 km/h, the same as the escooter speed limit.
Over 20 km/h on a push bike is very easy. In fact I'd call 20 the hard minimum, and on a downhill especially it's actually quite awkward to go slower than that. On the flat with no wind I'd be calling about 24 km/h a comfortable standard speed for a slow rider. More like 30 as a basic comfortable cruising speed for a strong rider.
What you say about wheels and escooter safety is basically correct though, to my knowledge.
You're allowed to go up to 6km/h using the motor but without pedal assistance, according to the Qld Transport website, which I assume means you can use a throttle here..
I'm a regular cyclist, both electric and non-electric, so I know exactly what you mean about the ease of cruising at those speeds. I've got a torque sensor ebike where you have to use your legs a bit, and forgot about how little effort is required on a cadence sensor ebike like I think the rental ebikes here use. I've been wanting to do a ride with my non-cycling partner, her on the ebike. That may educational, since she seems to be more the target audience for rental escooters and might have a different perspective, whereas we seem to be more experienced on 2 wheels
i ride regular bikes and an ebike and while getting to the 25km/h cutoff on the ebike is easy thanks to the assist, going much faster is very much harder as the bike itself is incredibly heavy (compared to a normal bike), so cruising along at 20-25km is both comfortable and easy, plus safe. as cool as it would be to be able to go faster with motor assist, idiots would ruin it
Regular rider here too. I forgot about the cadence sensor ebikes that you can basically ghost pedal to the engine cut-off. I'd still argue that it's more effort than twisting a throttle, but that's just me being pedantic. My ebike rides don't even trip the auto workout function on my watch.
I'd love the 32 km/h limit from NZ, you definitely feel the weight when you hit 26 km/h on a heavy bike with fairly wide gear spacing. Still, all it'll take is one accident taken out of context for the pitchforks to come out