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  • Kool_Newt@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    Chain link fences are useless. See I can spout random statements that sound like facts too.

    • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      michael-laugh the political compass was invented solely to make "right libertarianism" look like a real ideology. It was pushed by billionaire money into schools to rot peoples brains. Its not real and provides no insight, it only furthers political illiteracy in the US. Its not a random statement, its a bullshit concept

        • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          Your buying into the central assumption that their is such a thing as authoritarianism. All governments are authoritarian its a meaningless distiction in political economy.

          Right libertarianism is a bullshit ideology, because its just liberalism.

          The system that works better is just reality. Understanding that political economy is a single entity not separate axis

            • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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              1 year ago

              Libertarianism is about maximizing autonomy and reducing or eliminating state power. The reasons why one might want those things, and the methods used to attain and maintain them make a distinction between left and right libertarianism.

              This is exactly my problem with the political compass and why i said it was bullshit to start with. You are defining libertarianism as an ideology that can only be described by the political compass. Methods and distictions that are only meaningful if you sunder the concept of political economy. That's why i said its only purpose is to make "right libertarianism" seem like a real ideology when its just liberalism

            • Balefirex [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              What!? Are you claiming there is no such thing as authoritarianism?

              https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm

              • Kool_Newt@lemm.ee
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                1 year ago

                I've read this, I just think it's wrong. Marx isn't a god, he not everything he said is unquestionable truth.

                • ProxyTheAwesome [comrade/them]
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                  1 year ago

                  This wasn't written by Marx but by Engels, how closely did you actually read this?

                  Basically, all bourgeois states are constantly "authoritarian" and any revolution against them must also be "authoritarian" (ie, it must use organized applications of force targeted at specific enemies)

    • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      Show

      Just to point out how bullshit it is.

      There was a thread maybe a month back where we all took the test and everyone is "left libertarian," because the entire design of this thing is ridiculous.

          • Kool_Newt@lemm.ee
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            1 year ago

            Ok, please tell me the problems you have with the political compass disregarding the website and questions. If it's so flawed, you should easily be able to point them out right?

            • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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              1 year ago

              I already have told you. Political economy is one thing not two separate axis. Promoting the opposite is promoting political illiteracy, which is the "tools" whole point. Its not educating its obfuscating.

              • Kool_Newt@lemm.ee
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                1 year ago

                I'd say your obfuscating by conflating politics and economics. Sure they are closely related and thus the X,Y graph, but they are not the same. Neither of us is the arbiter of truth so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here.

                • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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                  1 year ago

                  I'd say your obfuscating by conflating politics and economics

                  You could say that, but only because you've fundamentally bought in to a right wing framing through belief a right wing propaganda tool.

                  Neither of us is the arbiter of truth

                  Ok? Thats a complete thought terminating cliche. No one has to be the sole arbiter of truth to say things that are true about our material reality.

                  I didn't invent the concept of political economy. If you think its obfuscation, take it up with the political theorists of the 17th and 18th centuries and the socialist theorists of the 19th who drew on their work.

                  I'm not inventing things and arbiting truth, im talking about actual theory and not propaganda models, that have clearly worked in your case.

                  Sure they are closely related and thus the X,Y graph, but they are not the same

                  This is the problem with the political compass, and its entire reason for existing. Its to decouple politics from economics and create a belief that some things are similar or related when they are not - a flattening of political understanding to render people illiterate.

                  The use of "authoritarianism" as an axis - a word that is not meaningfully definable - is only used to perpetuate the Cold War mythologies of communists being the same as nazis. Just like double genocide theory, this view of politics is ultimately nazi apologia.

                  On the reverse, it serves to legitimize "right libertarianism" by flattening peoples understanding to make it look like it has something in common with actual ideological traditions like anarchism. As a professed anarchist, you should abhor this flattening and equivocation and the model that promotes it. I'm not personally an anarchist, but i find it disgusting how they've sought legitimacy by trying to tie themselves to actual intellectual and political tendencies.

                  • Kool_Newt@lemm.ee
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                    1 year ago

                    Fair argument, I disagree. Tools are for measuring things, disagreeing with something doesn't mean it shouldn't be learned about, measured, and viewed in context. If you have a better tool that contains virtually all positions without simply leaving out those you disagree with please show me.

                • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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                  1 year ago

                  obfuscating by conflating politics and economics

                  How do you type this out without spotting the obvious absurdity, just what do you think the point of politics is?

                  There can be no conflation because politics and economics are inseparable, like how hardware and software are inseparable components of computerization

                  Every civilization has a mode of production that allows said civilization to reproduce itself, and that reproduction is implemented as a matter of political will shaped thru the realities of whatever specific mode defines the civilization, it's not a "close relationship" that may or may not interact depending on some vacuum context, instead politics and economics are literal embodiments of each other that always interact in the physical world humans inhabit

                • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
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                  1 year ago

                  Explain how you can affeft social issues without affecting class dynamics. Explain how you can affect class dynamics without affecting social issues.

                  • Kool_Newt@lemm.ee
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                    1 year ago

                    Explain why you think class dynamics --> social issues is a one-way street. Change can and does flow both ways.