Both Marxists and anarchists agree that the ultimate end goal is communism, right? A classless, stateless society.

So like in the first 100 days of the USSA would it be acceptable to most anarchists to allow them to pursue anarchy in like communes and extended formal boarders similar to, broadly, like how Hong Kong or the Vatican worked. A sort of city-state situation?

It involves boarders and some formalized trade agreements and everything else anarchists hate, but would something like that be possible in the name of revolution? A sort of temporary two state solution.

Maybe I'm completely missing the point but I'm just trying to think of how to make it work in a pragmatic sense

  • PermaculturalMarxist [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    I honestly can't think of a historical example where, after the bourgeoisie where defeated, the contradiction between Marxism and anarchism didn't fully come to its head and become antagonistic. Trotsky's Red Army vs. Makhnov's Black Army being the archetypal example. If anyone has an example where this doesn't happen I'd be very interested in reading about it.

    • CoralMarks [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      One thing another user here made me aware of a few days ago, that might qualify as an anarchistic form of organization that existed within an ML state for at least some time, would be the Artels in Russia.

      From the wiki:

      An artel (Russian: арте́ль) was any of various cooperative associations that existed in the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union. They began centuries ago but were especially prevalent from the time of the emancipation of the Russian serfs (1861) through the 1950s. In the later Soviet period (1960s–1980s), the term was mostly phased out with the complete monopolization of the Soviet economy by the state.
      Artels were semiformal associations for craft, artisan, and light industrial enterprises. Often artel members worked far from home and lived as a commune. Payment for a completed job was distributed according to verbal agreements, quite often in equal shares.[1] Often artels were for seasonal industry; fishing, hunting, harvesting of crops, logging, and gathering of wild plants, berries, and mushrooms were prime examples of activities that were in many cases seasonal (although not invariably).

      Additionally I found this stackexchange discussion off them which has some interesting numbers(don't know if they really check out or not):

      Overall by the beginning of 1950s there were 114000 artels with about 2 million employees. They made up to 6% of GDP, including 40% of all furniture, 70% of metallic tableware, more than a third of knitted wear and hosiery, nearly all toys.
      Artels owned about a hundred of R&D bureaus, 22 testing labs and two research institutes.
      Artels pioneered production of the Soviet lamp-based radio receivers and CRT televisions.
      During the war artels produced weapons and ammunition such as Sudayev machineguns and artillery shells.

      Otherwise I'm drawing a blank too at the moment.

      • funkfresh [they/them]
        hexagon
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        4 years ago

        So in America, what you're saying, is anarcho-gamer houses. Imagine the smell

    • Collatz_problem [comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      It's more complex. A lot of anarchists joined Communist Party and collectivization was basically inspired by anarchist agrarian communes.