Reminder that Hamas rose to power with the backing of Israel as a counterweight to popular secular left wing parties in Palestine. The Hamas that exists now is far from what it was then and is not the anti-Semitic boogieman they created, but rather a larger popular front that has liberalized in some ways to the point that they are conducting the current defense against the Zionist entity as a united front with the left.
In one case their doctors even performed surgery on a wounded Israeli, in other instances they are shown protecting them from gunfire from Israeli soldiers, in others they are seen taking care of children, and in many posing for pictures with the elderly, one specific picture shows and elderly lady with a Palestinian fighters gun in her lap while she smiles and they both wave piece signs.
This fight is not as complicated as western media is trying to make it out to be.
Not sure if you remember or heard but thousands of civilians were killed by Hamas a few days, including many who would probably march for peace with Palestine, children and old people. Hamas are not the good guys and it's definitely complicated.
This is only outrageous if you don't consider the lives of thousands more Palestinians as worth as much. Isreal has already far exceeded that number in Gazan families shredded by bombs and crushed by rubble. I wonder why western news doesn't talk about them?
It's atrocious to move a happy, well adjusted family from the country they have lived in for generations into a literal war zone. Then settle land stolen by imperialists, expecting peace and safety. The same peace and safety being actively denied to the colonized families.
The Israeli plight is constantly talked about and the Palestinians are constantly demonized. How about you step back for a second and examine why you are so upset NOW at THIS incident, when far worse has been done to Palestinians for over 70 years.
"Why aren't you adding your voice to the orchestra of pro-Zionist voices and instead trying to give voice to their victims who are largely ignored by western media until they finally get fed up with being ignored and decide to actually fight their oppressors?"
Please, I say this in the kindest way you deserve: Go fuck yourself with a spoon.
Those pictures are all over the internet, but here's the specific article I got them from which I'm sure you're very interested in. You know the Nazis took pictures of Jews playing in orchestras and doing sports and shit, right?
I'm not a Zionist, but I'm also not a fucking moron. The world shouldn't be surprised when Israeli children get murdered in their beds, but we also shouldn't pretend it didn't happen and Hamas are just joyriding in golf carts with smiling old Jews. You're quite literally trying to manipulate people into supporting Hamas, a terrorist group that murdered and kidnapped over 1k people two weeks ago, for fuck's sake. And you accuse me of manipulating people by posting photos of the aftermath? You're a gaslighting piece of shit. See a therapist.
For the record, Israel disgusts me more every year. Netanyahu needs to be ventilated the same way his supporter did Rabin and I hope the settlements in the West Bank burn to the ground.
I'm not a Zionist, but I'm also not a fucking moron
Actually you're both.
See a therapist.
Very cool ableism. I disagree with you and think you are a liberal centrist both sides-ing genocide therefore I must have some mental disorder. Fuck ooooofffffffffffffff!
You are also flattening this conflict by claiming that Hamas are the only ones fighting back. This is not "Hamas" this is a popular front of several militant liberation organizations fighting for the existence of their people against a genocidal settler colonial project and you're painting them all as terrorists under a blanket label that you yourself demonstrably do not understand. You are also being manipulated by imperialist media but you have to be letting yourself believe this shit at this point because it is so incredibly blatant.
By the way those people that the Palestinian fighters are defending include Palestinian Jews that Israel is bombing all the same.
I don't care what you have or have not a problem with. You have thus far done apologia for Zionism, misinformation about the Palestinian struggle, and posted unsolicited gore pictures without a source or a content warning all in THIS thread and you call me an asshole? Cool.
No you are a white supremacist for attempting to paint all Palestinians as terrorists, even if you don't realize that is what you are doing, or that that is what you are.
Implying that fascist apologia is something that is indicative of a "mental health problem" is ableist on its own. We can call these assholes out without resorting to these sorts of insults that might harm your comrades and most likely roll right off their intended target.
It also undermines the agency of the one spouting fascist shit and in a way removes their agency and diminishes their participation in doing said fascist rhetoric.
Reminder that Hamas rose to power with the backing of Israel as a counterweight to popular secular left wing parties in Palestine. The Hamas that exists now is far from what it was then and is not the anti-Semitic boogieman they created, but rather a larger popular front that has liberalized in some ways to the point that they are conducting the current defense against the Zionist entity as a united front with the left.
This is a thread full of videos and proof of how Hamas actually treats Israeli captives.
In one case their doctors even performed surgery on a wounded Israeli, in other instances they are shown protecting them from gunfire from Israeli soldiers, in others they are seen taking care of children, and in many posing for pictures with the elderly, one specific picture shows and elderly lady with a Palestinian fighters gun in her lap while she smiles and they both wave piece signs.
This fight is not as complicated as western media is trying to make it out to be.
Not sure if you remember or heard but thousands of civilians were killed by Hamas a few days, including many who would probably march for peace with Palestine, children and old people. Hamas are not the good guys and it's definitely complicated.
Im waiting for the numbers on how many Israelis where killed by Hamas vs how many where killed by the IDF while beeing held hostage by Hamas.
This is only outrageous if you don't consider the lives of thousands more Palestinians as worth as much. Isreal has already far exceeded that number in Gazan families shredded by bombs and crushed by rubble. I wonder why western news doesn't talk about them?
I wonder why two things can't be outrageous.
It's atrocious to move a happy, well adjusted family from the country they have lived in for generations into a literal war zone. Then settle land stolen by imperialists, expecting peace and safety. The same peace and safety being actively denied to the colonized families.
I'm so fucking sick of these enlightened centrist liberals "muh both sides are bad, why don't you condemn Hamas!"
Fuck all the way off and face the fucking wall. Stalin was right.
Did you not read that reply at all?
The Israeli plight is constantly talked about and the Palestinians are constantly demonized. How about you step back for a second and examine why you are so upset NOW at THIS incident, when far worse has been done to Palestinians for over 70 years.
"Why aren't you adding your voice to the orchestra of pro-Zionist voices and instead trying to give voice to their victims who are largely ignored by western media until they finally get fed up with being ignored and decide to actually fight their oppressors?"
Please, I say this in the kindest way you deserve: Go fuck yourself with a spoon.
I guess this is ketchup all over that child's bunk bed & sheets?
And this is just black spray paint, right?
Fuck off. Posting unsourced shock images to try to emotionally manipulate people into supporting a genocidal apartheid state is disgusting.
I have zero patience for Zionists.
Those pictures are all over the internet, but here's the specific article I got them from which I'm sure you're very interested in. You know the Nazis took pictures of Jews playing in orchestras and doing sports and shit, right?
I'm not a Zionist, but I'm also not a fucking moron. The world shouldn't be surprised when Israeli children get murdered in their beds, but we also shouldn't pretend it didn't happen and Hamas are just joyriding in golf carts with smiling old Jews. You're quite literally trying to manipulate people into supporting Hamas, a terrorist group that murdered and kidnapped over 1k people two weeks ago, for fuck's sake. And you accuse me of manipulating people by posting photos of the aftermath? You're a gaslighting piece of shit. See a therapist.
For the record, Israel disgusts me more every year. Netanyahu needs to be ventilated the same way his supporter did Rabin and I hope the settlements in the West Bank burn to the ground.
Actually you're both.
Very cool ableism. I disagree with you and think you are a liberal centrist both sides-ing genocide therefore I must have some mental disorder. Fuck ooooofffffffffffffff!
You are also flattening this conflict by claiming that Hamas are the only ones fighting back. This is not "Hamas" this is a popular front of several militant liberation organizations fighting for the existence of their people against a genocidal settler colonial project and you're painting them all as terrorists under a blanket label that you yourself demonstrably do not understand. You are also being manipulated by imperialist media but you have to be letting yourself believe this shit at this point because it is so incredibly blatant.
By the way those people that the Palestinian fighters are defending include Palestinian Jews that Israel is bombing all the same.
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I don't care what you have or have not a problem with. You have thus far done apologia for Zionism, misinformation about the Palestinian struggle, and posted unsolicited gore pictures without a source or a content warning all in THIS thread and you call me an asshole? Cool.
Also here's your cherished innocent settlers and what they have been doing for 70 years that is the cause of all this
What misinformation? What apologia? Why are you denying what happened on October 7? Just say you support it.
I support any means deemed necessary for colonized people to liberate themselves. You'd be crying over dead slaveowners in the 1800s.
Stop arguing with me you're not going to change my mind you're just digging your heels in to defend genocide.
I'm not trying to change your mind. I agree with you. I just think you're dumb for buying Hamas propaganda and an asshole for spreading it.
And I think you're a racist piece of shit for trying to paint all Palestinians as "Hamas"
Was that in the comment where I said Netanyahu needs to be ventilated?
Saying one thing does not negate all the other things you said.
This is like, elementary level comprehension of words and linear time.
No, I'm wondering where I suggested that all Palestinians are Hamas.
You have done that throughout this entire thread. Just fucking re-read the whole conversation and try to discard your lib brainworms for one second.
Imagine yourself as someone that isn't inculcated in white supremacist ideology.
I'm a white supremacist because I don't believe that Hamas is drinking lattes with kidnapped elderly Zionists?
No you are a white supremacist for attempting to paint all Palestinians as terrorists, even if you don't realize that is what you are doing, or that that is what you are.
Seek help. Reported.
Implying that fascist apologia is something that is indicative of a "mental health problem" is ableist on its own. We can call these assholes out without resorting to these sorts of insults that might harm your comrades and most likely roll right off their intended target.
It also undermines the agency of the one spouting fascist shit and in a way removes their agency and diminishes their participation in doing said fascist rhetoric.