• RedDawn [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I honestly do not even understand the question “how does it causally interact with matter”? Consciousness is awareness of existence, and it is the result of some processes of the body and brain.

    • space_comrade [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Alright, what is the "awareness of existence"? I'm talking about the qualitative, subjective aspect of consciousness, the "feels" if you will, the redness of red, the pain and pleasure etc. Where does that fit in your view? Is all of it caused by interactions of matter?

        • space_comrade [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          If that is so then you agree with the premises of my previous comment: https://hexbear.net/post/91483/comment/1013036

          Or am I missing some nuance here?

          • RedDawn [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Why would consciousness being the result of interactions of matter mean that it doesn’t itself have any effect on other matter? That simply doesn’t follow logically

            • space_comrade [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              How does it have an effect then if the subjective contents of the consciousness are wholly dependent on configurations of matter?

              Having a causal effect would mean the subjective feels themselves exert some kind of influence over matter.

              • RedDawn [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                Literally everything is the result of material things, what you’re saying makes no sense at all, it would be equally (not) applicable to literally any quality of any living thing. It’s mumbo jumbo

                • space_comrade [he/him]
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                  4 years ago

                  Not sure I understand honestly. You admit the subjective qualities of consciousness are purely the result of matter interacting. That necessarily implies only a one way causal direction, meaning that subjective feels in of themselves don't actually do anything in the material world.

                  • RedDawn [he/him]
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                    4 years ago

                    That necessarily implies only a one way causal direction,

                    NO, IT DOESNT