Unless Biden drastically reverses course on Palestine, Muslims will not turn out for him on Election Day—critical voters in key swing states—and Democrats only have themselves to blame.

Former democratic party activists are organizing Muslims and Arab-Americans in Swing states to vote against Biden with the demand that he support a ceasefire in Gaza.

I'll allow them a little bit of electoralism this time.

  • synae[he/him]@lemmy.sdf.org
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    1 year ago

    You’re not really engaging with what any of us are bringing up

    Certainly last night with my first few rounds of comments, it was hard(er) to do so since I was a little drunk which is what got me posting in the first place. I don't mean that as an excuse, just by way of explanation.

    I want to engage and I am trying to understand your (and others') perspective on this topic. I acknowledge that I am not as educated on the general topic and certainly not on the specific aspects that you and others have raised. I apologize for making my lack of education other people's problem -- though I am thankful everyone has been patient and generous with their time.

    I’m sorry for being harsh, but i feel the need to be direct here

    Despite my intoxication, I knew what I was getting into. And I appreciate your honesty and taking the time to try to help me understand.

    The larger point people here are making is that the spectacle of electoral politics and the illusion that individuals can engage in this low effort behavior and actually effect any meaningful change is a distraction that steals energy form organization and movement building which is the only way to effect change, and the only way that any political action, even electoralism, can accomplish anything.

    Thanks for emphasizing this point, which I did not grasp at all yesterday. After continuing the discussion today and reading what you and other have written, I feel have a better handle on it and understand this point of view better.

    • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      I was a little drunk which is what got me posting in the first place.

      Totally fair, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah i wanted to be direct but i don't really want to be harsh, since i think you're asking genuine questions.

      I'd also say like others have, that it's fine if you vote. Some of us vote, and under certain circumstances some who generally don't would, especially locally.

      But we're mostly communists here, so we reject capitalism and liberal democracy, and through historical example know that you can't use liberal democracy to stop the oppression of the ruling class that controls liberal democracy. They won't let their power be voted away, so that's why we have the general attitude we do toward voting especially in national elections in the US.

      Anyway, thanks for asking genuine questions. We can be a rough bunch, but we don't have a problem explaining ourselves to people who genuinely want to understand. No one is born a communist and we were all ignorant of the things we know now at one time.