cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/7597775

Alienation of labour, what's that?

  • Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    8 months ago

    Doing excel for 9 hours straight is far better than breathing toxic gases inside a damp,badly lit coal mines tho. Juste saying...

      • Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        8 months ago

        What I mean is that work conditions have vastly improved compared to the last century (thanks to unions). It may be miserable yes but it's a far cry from the horrible work that our ancestors were forced to endure starting from a young age.

        • алсааас [she/they]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          8 months ago

          I get what you mean. Ofc class struggle has brought us many concessions, technology progresses over time and the industrialized countries add more and more abstraction layers to manual work.

          My point would be that we do have to view the working conditions relative to what's possible at the given time. Given the resources humanity has today, fully automated luxury (queer) space communism is within realistic reach!

          It's a similar answer as to world hunger: it's a systematic distribution - not resource - problem. That being artificially created scarcity thanks to a profit and greed driven economic base (capitalism) and inequitable/inefficient allocation of resources (markets)

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      8 months ago

      Doing excel for 9 hours straight is far better than breathing toxic gases inside a damp,badly lit coal mines tho. Juste saying...

      smuglord

      Give it time. Those work conditions are getting gradually worse all over again as the internal contradictions intensify.

  • miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml
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    8 months ago

    I somehow managed to avoid excel my entire life, and I'll be so lost whenever using it is actually going to be required of me

    • Waffle@infosec.pub
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      8 months ago

      Get on Google sheets or something to stay organized... Learn how to use index match and how to nest formulas (e.g. countifs, sumifs).

      It's incredibly frustrating when someone at work can't navigate an excel file or a spreadsheet.

      • miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml
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        8 months ago

        It's incredibly frustrating when someone at work can't navigate an excel file or a spreadsheet.

        Oh, I know the feeling, be it in other areas.

      • Okkai@lemm.ee
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        8 months ago

        😬 I moved from a restaurant job to an office and live on Excel now. I have probably not used it for 10 years before this. I'm beginner level for sure. Any suggestions on how to improve quickly?

  • octobob@lemmy.ml
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    8 months ago

    Trades are always hiring. My phone says I walk like 5 miles a day just working in our factory. I use my brain, body, problem-solving skills, and have real conversations with my coworkers daily about how to go about the work and solve problems, or just pass the time when we're not as busy. I learn new things constantly and enjoy working with my hands and making my work look beautiful, which can be surprisingly deep in the field of industrial electrical work.

    Just know that if anyone's interested in this kinda thing, make sure you have some thick skin and maybe leave a terminally online brain at home

        • octobob@lemmy.ml
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          8 months ago

          Yes. Specifically industrial control and automation, which is apples to oranges to commercial and industrial building power distribution for example.

          I worked for GE as a grunt first building inverters for solar fields and power plants. Then I did field service for them in the American southwest when they shut down the factory and sent all the work to GE Germany and Japan.

          Then when all of the re-work we were doing was done, I passed on traveling indefinitely and came back home to Pittsburgh. I got hired opening a new factory for a company that makes machinery used for plastics recycling and worked there for close to a decade as their only electrical technician. That shop holds a deep place in my heart for the connections and friendships I made there. But I saw us getting slow as fuck and everyone quitting and decided to switch jobs this year for a better paycheck and closer commute. Now I work solely in testing and do a bit of design work and drafting.