Gothouse [none/use name]

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  • The Intercept is such a sad site. Nobody reads them. The comments sections used to be lively, and now it's the same 5 people posting bad takes. They had the gall to beg for donations when they're funded by a billionaire and pay salaries well above market rate for journalists.






  • Gothouse [none/use name]tomemesfree speech absolutism is dumb
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    3 years ago

    This old canard, a favourite reference of censorship apologists, needs to be retired. It’s repeatedly and inappropriately used to justify speech limitations. The phrase is a misquotation of an analogy made in 1919 Supreme Court opinion that upheld the imprisonment of three people—a newspaper editor, a pamphlet publisher and a public speaker—who argued that military conscription was wrong. The court said that anti-war speech in wartime is like “falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic,” and it justified the ban with a dubious analogy to the longstanding principle that the First Amendment doesn’t protect speech that incites people to physical violence. But the Supreme Court abandoned the logic of that case more than 50 years ago. That this trope originated as a justification for what has long since been deemed unconstitutional censorship reveals how useless it is as a measure of the limitations of rights. And yet, the crowded theatre cliché endures, as if it were some venerable legal principle.

    Justice Holmes' famous quote comes in the context of a series of early 1919 Supreme Court decisions in which he endorsed government censorship of wartime dissent — dissent that is now clearly protected by subsequent First Amendment authority. Socialist Party of America chair Charles Schenck was prosecuted and imprisoned under the Espionage Act.

    After Holmes' opinion in the Schenck case, the law of the United States was this: you could be convicted and sentenced to prison under the Espionage Act if you criticized the war, or conscription, in a way that "obstructed" conscription, which might mean as little as convincing people to write and march and petition against it. This is the context of the "fire in a theater" quote that people so love to brandish to justify censorship.

    Oh, and notice that the court’s objection was only to "falsely shouting fire!”: if there is, in fact, a fire in a crowded theatre, please let everyone know.



  • http://voat.xyz

    They're so far right even the far right hates them.

    http://rantburg.com

    A nest of blood-drenched neo-cons who love nothing more than bombing a new country. Genocide apologists galore. A homebrewed site that would probably be easy to inject your own (hilarious) articles into, and then override it when they delete them.

    https://thepinkpill.co

    TERFs who got banned from so many sites they had to start their own.

    Careful posting on all of these, though - one step out of line and they ban you. And you'd better know the last 5 years of history of their movement because they'll tell you they had that argument back in 2017 and whatever side you thought was reasonable lost, and it's the banhammer for you, sweaty.







  • Wow, that's asking for an invasion. "Our critical lithium supplies are under threat and we will protect them to the point of military conflict."

    They did that in the Middle East with oil and it was called the Carter Doctrine.