A ghoul isn’t “an attractive and intelligent person” you absolute pumpkin.

That's not how the world works in the year 2023. Isolationism just isn't a conceivable possibility. All countries are interconnected, and what's happening in one country influences what's happening in other countries in major ways.

I don't think you said anything meaningfully different from what I already said.

You do not consider the abhorrent unethical nature of certain actions as being a valid argument against taking those actions in the pursuit of establishing a communist society. The only criticism you'll entertain is that certain actions may be ineffective or inefficient at accomplishing that goal.

No worries, that’s not what makes someone a tankie

That’s why it’s funny

Nah, I fully know you as a person, including everything you've ever done and everything you ever will do, from just a couple of internet comments, and I judge you useless. So give up. Stop being a socialist. I, an internet stranger, know you are not contributing anything of value, so why bother?

No, who are those people?

I’ve read Marx, I’ve moved on from Marx. You guys clearly haven’t; or at least, you haven’t moved on from Lenin.

Well your political activism starts and ends with posting Lenin quotes in online discussion boards, so I don’t know that you are in any position to be calling other people useless.

Yeah, you should read Marx if you want to understand the historical development of socialist ideas, but if that’s where your reading ends, then your ideas are stuck in the past.

Socialism isn’ta religious dogma that is inflexible and unchanging. It’s an intellectual idea that grows and becomes more refined over time.

I don’t call someone a tankie based on where they post, but in what they post. If you don’t want to be called a tankie, then don’t post tankie shit.

Kind of rude of you to agree with me

Telling someone to read Marx to understand modern day socialism is like telling someone to read Newton to understand modern day physics tbh.

Can’t eat the rich without some utensils

America bad does not imply China good.

See that’s the thing: the fact that the west lies doesn’t mean that the east tells the truth. You are heavily skeptical of what the west has to say (good) but mostly uncritical of what any communist government has to say (bad).

Capitalist countries have done horrible things, but so have self-proclaimed communist countries

Have you never heard the phrase “the ends justify the means” before? It’s a pretty common phrase.

It means that any action, no matter how unethical or morally reprehensible, is acceptable as long as it is done to accomplish a goal that is deemed good.

This is the tankie attitude.

To reject this means that there are limitations on what actions are acceptable in pursuit of a goal. That there are some actions that are too repugnant to be justified.

I mean it kind of is you guys need to do a better job with the propagandizing.

Walks like a duck, talks like a duck, swims like a duck, annexes other countries like a duck. But it insists it’s a platypus so I guess we’ll pretend it’s a mammal.

Lol okay, sure, yeah. Only the capitalist class. Got it.