It's like sex education and education about drugs and alcohol. It's necessary information for kids, even if you don't want them to do it, because if they don't know anything about those things, they'll end up with lots of problems.
Teach them how, why and why not, be honest and then trust them to make an informed decision on their own
Not at all what I've said. I just want people here to have an honest conversation rather than circlejerking each other. But circlejerking it is I guess
What's the conversation then? If you can't discuss alternative systems, what's the point? Circlejerk? How fun
Ok, then you are equally ok with this, I guess:
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Regardless, that has nothing to do with the comic OP posted. Are there, in real-world communist/feudal societies, people that get more on the shoulders of other people's work? If the answer is yes, then the comic does not specifically represent a capitalist society.
Because this is what the comic represents. It does not represent the welfare system, or lack thereof. It does not show any means of production. It just shows some person getting wealth on the shoulders of another person's work. That's it.
Yeah, thankfully I said real-world communism. Utopian communism would indeed be great.
In feudal society, the noble owns the serfs. The serf cannot move without the noble's consent and is tied to the land in such a manner that, if the noble decides to sell the land, the serf on the land are sold too. They have to work the lands of the noble before their own and have to pay a tax on what they own to the noble. While they own some small tools, like pots, needles, tools for churning butter and other small farming tools, the biggest tools were often owned by the village as they were too expensive for the single farmer. Some other tools were instead illegal to own, a famous example was the grinding stone, which was illegal to own, since you HAD to go to the noble's mill to transform your wheat into flour and then bread. This was because you then had to pay a tax to the miller and a tax to the noble in order to mill your wheat.
So, in essence, in feudalism a serf did not own their land, did not own their labor and was not even free to move. So much better, right? /s
Eh, feudalism too. And real-world communism. And pretty much any society that ever existed on this pale blue dot in space. There are always some in power that live in wealth, and then the rest that live in poverty and get fucked, it's not a feature specifically of capitalism.
Regardless of your ideological leanings, the reality is that we are already living under a de facto one-state reality
And this is the problem. Until there is just one state, one side will feel oppressed. There's also the religious issue, where both Jews and Muslims can't apparently tolerate each other. Just or not, I don't see a way for Jews and Palestinians to peacefully and happily coexist in the same state. Maybe you do, I don't.
I also don't see a way for Palestinians to gain the whole region without a war, or for Jews to renounce to the land they live in and to the state they have peacefully. If it's a war, I think it will be very very ugly; I mean, we are seeing right now what an all out war is like, it would be this, but on an even greater scale.
I'm with you, we need to stop Israel. The international community needs to force them to the negotiating table, and I feel like a two-state solution is the only thing that could make this genocide stop. Asking for a Palestinian one-state solution will only reinforce Israel aggression. What's the other solution really?
TBH I even agree that Israel is the one doing the genocide right now. The problem I have is with your solution.
If the solution is dismantling the state of Israel and giving everything to a possible new State of Palestine, it means another fuck ton of problems, if not a straight-up civil war and genocide.
What's the solution that avoids genocide, displacement, apartheid and suffering BOTH for Jews and Palestinians?
Right now Israel is perpetrating all of these atrocities, but, unless you believe them just when perpetrated on your enemy, you should be looking for a solution that doesn't involve destroying a nation and its people. Otherwise, you are the same as them.
Remember that most Jews in Israel were born in the land of Israel, in Palestine, for the vast majority there is no place to "return to".
We need a better solution than "destroy their nation, send them away, kill them all or make them live under a muslim-arab state in a state of apartheid"
They are people. If you don't consider them people, well, that's what brings on genocides.
They live there, they were born there, and they have equal right to stay where they were born as the Palestinians do. If the only option you are willing to entertain is total displacement or annihilation, then you are no better than them and should be ashamed of yourself.
I was with you until the last sentence. Removing the Israeli state "from the river to the sea" as you say, would mean another genocide. I guess at the end of the day, it's always ok to commit a genocide, but only if it's your side committing it, eh?
The real solution is to create two states, one for the Jews, one for the Palestinians, create a well-defined border and stop it with the holy wars, stop it with the persecutions, stop it with the genocides, stop it with the forced resettlement, stop it with terror attacks, stop it with the bombings and stop it with religions altogether.
Everyone has the right to live, so just live and let live
Has anyone been to North Korea? What's the situation there?
I recall learning in school that it should be left to right when in doubt. Probably a cop-out from the teacher
Yup, and, aside from the fact that humans were never made to do or be anything by anyone, but just evolved by chance, I still can't recall a moment in our shared collective history when most people alive were bohemian artists, traveling all the time and having lots of creative hobbies and aspirations.
Afaik we went from barely surviving on what we could hunt and gather to barely surviving in the farms of the nobles, to barely surviving in the factories of the masters, to at least having some level of food security (at least in the developed world). I don't remember a time when we were better off than now, with more free time and more security.
Not even in Stalin's Russia or Castro's Cuba were most people living the idyllic bohemian life everyone here seems to be clamoring for.
and they stand with israel they seem to be the same Nazis they used to be
Yup, Hitler was famous for his support to Israel. Fucking hell why am I even replying
Even if I were, which I'm not, you are talking about events that happened 80 years ago and never again since. The USSR did it for far longer (Gulags) and China is still operating concentration camps.
Do that every morning. But then I remember that my government is not bombing hospitals or operating concentration camps...
Now, try to criticize China, unless you think it's perfect, in which case, oh boy...
If you have time then try working out and doing sports. It sounds asinine, but I've found that exerting yourself increases your levels of energy in the long term. Even something small, a little bit at a time will be greatly beneficial. Also try doing it with someone else and try having an active social life that will motivate you to go out of the house and stop spending all the evening alone on the couch watching YouTube (which is really detrimental, ask me how I know it).
Like the Romans said "mens sana in corpore sano" (you need a healthy body to have a healthy mind)