Wars are all the same. The argument is just dumb. Either queer people are targeted specifically or it is irrelevant to any discussion about queer persecution.

At least half of it is reasonable and I would fully agree with it. Unfortunately then it went of the rails.

I read the same argument the other day with the US/NATO wars/invasions and equated to the persecution of other countries and that's just ridiculous. If they were sent there and died because they were queer it would be a whole other story, but if they were there because they were equal to their comrades then it was the actual equality we strive for. Not that I support any wars or any military, but that rhetoric is just dumb. Also guess what this is true for any military ever. Queer people exist even if they don't have the freedom to live their lives in the open.

Regarding Ukraine it doesn't really matter. Russia is the agressor here. There is no way Ukraine was ever a threat to Russia yet here we are. It is a developing souvereign (!) country with many problems they try to solve one step at a time. Russia is actively working against everything we fight for. Whatever you believe Ukraine is the situation got only worse due to Russia and there is no way the invasion should ever be glorified by any sane queer person at all.

Funny you mentioned Cuba. Cuba still has major problems with corruption and all the LGBT+ laws are very, very recent additions. I want it to be a success story probably for the same reasons as you, but let's wait and see for a few more years or decades. I dearly hope they manage and so far it looks better than ever, but unfortunately that's not great yet.

Anyway this post is also a great example for the US centric whataboutism I talked about in my initial post.

I think not much value would be lost by defederating.

They are denying genocides, they are supporting regimes which are not compatible with LGBT+, they don't discuss in good faith, there is a lot of whataboutism. They want to dunk people and be right and not have their view challenged.

Unfortunately they have so radical ideas about it all (mostly US centric whataboutism as far as I can tell). They fall into fascist/authoritarian traps where they can't even recognize they are fighting against people like me or us. They dehumanize people.

I don't think their views are compatible with LGBT+ spaces and values even though they claim to be one while cheering for the people who would remove them from existence the first chance they would get.

Some people are moderate over there and that were the only pleasant interactions I had with them. I can't tell if the radicals are a loud minority or the majority. They poison the well though.

Even after all that said I don't know if defederation is the right choice. I mean they provide some good content and in the end they are a big community. On the other hand I have already blocked the instance using the Connect app and my experience improved a lot.

I think in summary they create a hostile space for all people. Even left leaning people are not safe due to their radicalized views and it is exhausting to have every thread derailed with some unrelated rant by them.

No, I mentioned it because I know that the ideas are compatible. They don't necessitate each other though. The economic system does not matter if (!) you can achieve the goals otherwise and was a direct reply to the idea that I might be anti communist which is obviously not the case. The full answer to this is much more complicated though.

You know this is the first take I can actually mostly agree with. At least I can kinda understand it. I don't like the glossing over the human rights violations in support for any of the mentioned people, regimes or countries which let's be honest is a lot of baggage. Hence I reject to associate with any of that.

Unfortunately your view seems to be mostly unique between all the other replies which either dodge or contradict the question you answered.

Thank you for taking the time.

I am anti LGBT that's a new one. I am repeating myself, but NATO is irrelevant for LGBT+ rights and it is just brought up as some form of whataboutism for the 20th time. The world is not the USA, but most of you seem to have a very narrow view. Yes, the US sucks. So far none of you mentioned that you were jailed or killed for being LGBT+ in the USA, even though it is so much worse than the Soviet Union or Russia or anywhere else in the world (lol).

Yes, recently you took many steps backwards especially in Florida and the problems are real, but it is still a better situation than just a few years ago. Get a grip.

Seriously, it is just annoying at this point. It is ridiculous that you believe that you are somehow special and won't be prosecuted by dictators like Putin, killed by Stalin for "anti communist behavior" etc. I am not saying any of this, because I disagree with communism as a whole, but because the regimes you associate with would never allow us to live and flourish like we do and I don't want to find out.

Holy hell. This is the most ridiculous take I have read so far.

As I said before supporting those regimes or dictators is incompatible with our lives and our freedom. Therefore there is no further discussion to be had and any trans* or LGBT+ person should fight against it for the same reason we fight against Nazis.

This just proves my point and it's seriously frightening that it is even a conclusion any person in an allegedly LGBT+ friendly space would come to.

China? What time? The forced castrations? Not allowed to be employed and shunned by the public? Officially seen as a disease until just a few years ago and still by big parts of the public? The judges ruling homosexuals as abnormal and unacceptable? Even after slightly more acceptance in the past 10 years the regular police raids of gay bars? The cancellation of any LGBT+ events? It still being seen as abnormal sexual practices?

I am not sure I ever read about any trans* rights at all. It is probably much worse or I assume impossible to even receive any gender affirming care or rights. This last part is pure speculation based on the way China is handling homosexuality.

If it wasn't about LGBT+ rights. Oh dear. We want to gloss over the Uyghur genocide? Concentration camps put a country very far to the bottom of my list of ethical regimes.

Also what is with all the US comparisons and whataboutism? I mean just because it is horrible what they are doing doesn't make any of the other major problems any less severe.

Do people at hexbear ever show support for Russia? China? Soviet Union? Stalin? Mao?

If there is a single yes then explain me how that does compute? All those countries or dictators are known to harshly discriminate, jail or kill LGBT+ people.

Soon I will probably receive another 10 replies explaining why the USA is bad or some unrelated NATO rant, but so far no one gave a clear answer how anyone in their right mind would want to see any of those regimes to succeed or even come back.

Without ignoring this major problem which is incompatible with our lives and our freedom I don't know how any sane LGBT+ person would ever want that. I am not sure how I am the foolish one and so far with all the replies I have yet to read one single agreeable take which isn't some form of whataboutism.

Of course I am referring to all the Stalin apologists on your server. Some people really want to argue for the sake of arguing.

So far no one even bothered to justify how they can even pretend to support Russia, the late Soviet Union etc. It's just a bunch of whataboutism.

Why would I care about NATO in this context? Unless it is supposed to be sone stupid pro Putin argument or so. I don't support the military and that should be enough of this.

And yes, I am outspoken about unequal laws. Why should I be outspoken against countries that ever had any and presumely not anymore? That's a weird take. I don't have the power to fix the world, but I still have an opinion and a long list of countries I'd refuse to visit.

Why some economical system even matters in this discussion is another point I don't really understand. I never made my own position clear, because it does not matter in the slightest. I am for a social and democratic system which cares about the needs of everyone equally and it does not really matter how it is implemented or what you call it if it does actually work. Post scarcity communism is the optimal state we could maybe archive in a few hundred or thousand years, but until then we have to take one step at a time. Right now it is a utopic idea and seriously irrelevant to this discussion. Does that sound like anti communist to you? Not that it really matters.

Sorry, but my world isn't as black and white as you think it is.

And because you are against those things your conclusion is to support the next bad actor on the world stage?

What a terrible take.

No, not really. It is not even special. I mean there are Polish Nazis around. They associate with the same people who will eat their face the first chance they get.

That's how I see you. It's the same situation really.

I don't understand why you associate with those regimes, defend them or even cheer them on. But I doubt there is anything I can say to change your mind.

I don't know why NATO even matters. Well I know why it is brought up, but seriously I won't even entertain that.

What makes you think that I even would want to visit the US? I wouldn't feel safe there for many reasons.

I don't know what else to tell you. I don't understand how you can in all seriousness support your position without glossing over all the anti humanistic and anti LGBT+ things going on. I doubt I can say anything to make you understand why that's a line I like many others won't ever cross.

Of course I am aware what is happening, what was happening and where you are heading. Where I live I am doing my part and don't you dare to ridicule that.

We are gaining ground. Many things got better over the past few years where I live and I will continue to do what I do and support what I can support.

I cannot wait and dream about some communist revolution and look down on others for actually trying. At this point I am not sure if this discussion is even in good faith anymore or if you just want to insult me and others like me.

Then stop associating with the queerphobic regimes. Simple.

If you side with the people who are against us I have no reason to trust you in any way.

I don't live in the USA and I am not fond of its politics in any way. It does not matter though. We are trying to survive and flourish with what we have.

What you are saying is that what I am doing is actually just bullshit. I am trying to improve the working environment for other LGBT+ people, I help them with problems they have. I fully support visibility of queer people in their work place and I spend a lot of personal time on that.

You know there are other problems people have which can be solved without a radical and forceful revolution. It is unrealistic and currently a daydream at best. I am actually trying to improve the situation with the cards that were dealt and for some reason you ridicule all of that.

Sorry, but that's just a bad take. You are barking at the wrong tree.

I know that the US are not the good guys. They did and they are still doing horrible things. But the world isn't the USA.

I never will support an authoritarian regime, especially if they are anti LGBT+. Supporting anything like that is such an leopards ate my face take and on the same level as Polish or Jewish Nazis.

Your role models are horrible. Even if the ideology might have its merits there is nothing to discuss as long as there is so much widespread support for hostile regimes and their politics.

Honestly this whole thing is puzzling me for this very reason. I don't know how a trans person could ever reason themselves into that position. I don't know how a sane person could be so delighted to see the suffering of others (e.g. Ukraine or Uyghur genocide) as many comments are implying from your server.

Sorry if I have the wrong idea, but it just does not compute.

The problem is that they are in support of regimes which are currently or historically anti LGBT+. There is no further discussion to be had. Even if they claim to be whatever, they are against us. Their ideology is incompatible with our freedom and possibly our lives.

You cannot be pro Soviet, pro Russia, pro China or whatever else and LGBT+. You would fight against that for the same reason you fight against Nazis. The ecological politics or so are irrelevant at this point. Even if you agree with that, don't forget that they want us gone.

This is so close to the Nazi bar problem and I fully understand why defederation might be the best course of action. Personally I don't know what the right call is, but I blocked the instance using the Connect app anyway.

Unfortunately I doubt there will be any consequences, even though other people probably would lose their jobs and never be able to work in the field again after that stunt. In the past it was just unreflected consumerism, wrong or inaccurate information etc, but this is terrible.