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I hate this website sometimes. I typed out a whole reply and then clicked cancel accidentally lol
Anyhow, I can totally see where you would get that impression but I think you are kinda assuming the worst. I don't personally know anyone that thinks "everyone should have kids even if they don't think they want to" or anything remotely like that, and zifnab seems like a good dude, so I was more charitable in my reading. It was pretty clear to me that he was countering the increasingly deranged posts about how awful having kids is and nobody should do it by citing his own experience and those of people around him, not saying that that poster in particular, or "everyone always", should have kids. Just reinforcing that it isn't an inherently miserable experience, quite the opposite, for many it turns out to be very rewarding.
I don’t personally know anyone that thinks “everyone should have kids even if they don’t think they want to”
I do, I see it everywhere in person and online whenever the topic is brought up. Its a common cuckservative talking point and forms part of the background radiation of ideology.
However, “everyone should have kids even if they don’t think they want to” isnt the statement im responding to, its the assertion that having children is "a fundamental part of life" and is an inherently positive thing. I think this is dangerous in this day and age because everyone is on their own, the man doesnt give a shit about anyones wellbeing and our soyciety is basically a free for all.
As such, I believe that one should think really really really carefully about bringing more people into this world or taking on the massive burden of childcare, forming someone else's life. Suffering is a guarantee in life, are you prepared to subject another human being to it?
I think you're mostly right but the focus on "parents need to make a responsible decision" over "attack the forces that actually make our society such a cruel free-for-all" rubs me the wrong way. I'm sure you care about both, but rhetorically the focus is really skewed. I just don't think anti-natalism or whatever is super productive, even if conservatives are going crazyballs the opposite direction. People who feel as you do will make their choices one way, people who do not, won't, and I don't think convincing people not to have kids is nearly as productive as tryign to improve conditions for everyone.
and this:
Suffering is a guarantee in life, are you prepared to subject another human being to it?
this also does not sit well with me. Sure, there will be suffering in life, fine, but having a child does not mean you are the cause of everything that happens to them. Suffering has material causes that are not the sole responsibility of parents. If someone assaults your kid, or some company irradiates them and gives them a horrible cancer, or whatever, that is not the parents fault for bringing a kid into a world where that could happen.
Anti-natalism is defeatist garbage that surrenders all infinite possibilities of the future to the altar of capitalism. We should work to excise these ideas from ourselves. This idea is a bastard child of capitalist realism and causes loving awesome comrades to confuse compassion for cowardice. It posits that life is suffering and the world is damned to live out as a capitalist hellscape. The time for action is past, the world is going to burn, and everything nice will go with it. (For loving Disco Elysium so much this website seems to forget that the deserter isn't right) Anti-natalists cry out from the rooftops:
"save your kids from suffering!" "Don't bring new people into the world!"
They've given up. The logical conclusion from that is that we should all save ourselves from suffering by killing ourselves.
It's as if we're trying to end Capitalism by striking from the grave.
This is ridiculous. There is a time in your life that at least a single good thing happened. Or a simple hint that there is good in the world. One instance that bore the fruit of love for your fellow man. You wouldn't be a socialist otherwise. This kernal of joy is what you fight for. That is why people want to have kids. That is why people dare to die for something better. They wish to share and spread the hope and joy they feel for the world. Have kids or don't have kids. Work to share what you found to be beautiful in life. Work to make it exist more. Work to make that communist train utopia real.
Dare to live. Dare to die. Dare to win.
There is a world of wonder and beauty out there and we mustn't let the horror of capitalism deprive that from us.
Suffering is a guarantee in life, are you prepared to subject another human being to it?
Honestly, so what? Everyone in life is, at some point, going to experience some suffering or pain. That's just part of life and being human, I don't see how that can be blamed on the parents (unless the parents directly caused it). I suffer with physical pain every day, that's just part of my life. But most of the time, I still want to continue living, and I don't blame my parents for it. And when I have dark thoughts and don't always feel that way, I'm able to recognise that it's not a true reflection of my life and how I feel overall.
But most of the time, I still want to continue living, and I don’t blame my parents for it. And when I have dark thoughts and don’t always feel that way, I’m able to recognise that it’s not a true reflection of my life and how I feel overall.
I don't disagree with the overall premise of your post; however this section of it does tacitly admit that the main reason you're coming to the conclusions that you are is because you have other things to look forward to other than just being in physical & emotional pain 24/7.
That's not necessarily a given about anybody else.
I hate this website sometimes. I typed out a whole reply and then clicked cancel accidentally lol
Anyhow, I can totally see where you would get that impression but I think you are kinda assuming the worst. I don't personally know anyone that thinks "everyone should have kids even if they don't think they want to" or anything remotely like that, and zifnab seems like a good dude, so I was more charitable in my reading. It was pretty clear to me that he was countering the increasingly deranged posts about how awful having kids is and nobody should do it by citing his own experience and those of people around him, not saying that that poster in particular, or "everyone always", should have kids. Just reinforcing that it isn't an inherently miserable experience, quite the opposite, for many it turns out to be very rewarding.
I do, I see it everywhere in person and online whenever the topic is brought up. Its a common cuckservative talking point and forms part of the background radiation of ideology.
However, “everyone should have kids even if they don’t think they want to” isnt the statement im responding to, its the assertion that having children is "a fundamental part of life" and is an inherently positive thing. I think this is dangerous in this day and age because everyone is on their own, the man doesnt give a shit about anyones wellbeing and our soyciety is basically a free for all.
As such, I believe that one should think really really really carefully about bringing more people into this world or taking on the massive burden of childcare, forming someone else's life. Suffering is a guarantee in life, are you prepared to subject another human being to it?
I think you're mostly right but the focus on "parents need to make a responsible decision" over "attack the forces that actually make our society such a cruel free-for-all" rubs me the wrong way. I'm sure you care about both, but rhetorically the focus is really skewed. I just don't think anti-natalism or whatever is super productive, even if conservatives are going crazyballs the opposite direction. People who feel as you do will make their choices one way, people who do not, won't, and I don't think convincing people not to have kids is nearly as productive as tryign to improve conditions for everyone.
and this:
this also does not sit well with me. Sure, there will be suffering in life, fine, but having a child does not mean you are the cause of everything that happens to them. Suffering has material causes that are not the sole responsibility of parents. If someone assaults your kid, or some company irradiates them and gives them a horrible cancer, or whatever, that is not the parents fault for bringing a kid into a world where that could happen.
Anti-natalism is defeatist garbage that surrenders all infinite possibilities of the future to the altar of capitalism. We should work to excise these ideas from ourselves. This idea is a bastard child of capitalist realism and causes loving awesome comrades to confuse compassion for cowardice. It posits that life is suffering and the world is damned to live out as a capitalist hellscape. The time for action is past, the world is going to burn, and everything nice will go with it. (For loving Disco Elysium so much this website seems to forget that the deserter isn't right) Anti-natalists cry out from the rooftops: "save your kids from suffering!" "Don't bring new people into the world!"
They've given up. The logical conclusion from that is that we should all save ourselves from suffering by killing ourselves.
It's as if we're trying to end Capitalism by striking from the grave.
This is ridiculous. There is a time in your life that at least a single good thing happened. Or a simple hint that there is good in the world. One instance that bore the fruit of love for your fellow man. You wouldn't be a socialist otherwise. This kernal of joy is what you fight for. That is why people want to have kids. That is why people dare to die for something better. They wish to share and spread the hope and joy they feel for the world. Have kids or don't have kids. Work to share what you found to be beautiful in life. Work to make it exist more. Work to make that communist train utopia real.
Dare to live. Dare to die. Dare to win. There is a world of wonder and beauty out there and we mustn't let the horror of capitalism deprive that from us.
:communism-will-win:
:order-of-lenin:
I've been handing out more of these than usual lately. Semper Post, Hexbear!
Awful post.
Ok
Something that isn't awful? The extinction of the human race because kids bad. /s
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Honestly, so what? Everyone in life is, at some point, going to experience some suffering or pain. That's just part of life and being human, I don't see how that can be blamed on the parents (unless the parents directly caused it). I suffer with physical pain every day, that's just part of my life. But most of the time, I still want to continue living, and I don't blame my parents for it. And when I have dark thoughts and don't always feel that way, I'm able to recognise that it's not a true reflection of my life and how I feel overall.
I don't disagree with the overall premise of your post; however this section of it does tacitly admit that the main reason you're coming to the conclusions that you are is because you have other things to look forward to other than just being in physical & emotional pain 24/7.
That's not necessarily a given about anybody else.
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