As @MiraculousMM@hexbear.net stated in their comment there is no real reason to open up the floodgates and dilute our site's style and culture with content from another instance.
If you want to argue with folks, go create accounts on those instances. Don't clutter up my experience on this site because you want to argue with a bunch of people on the internet.
It's the same with the issue of "oh but I want to see more content from communities that hexbear doesn't have"
Ok. Go create an account on a Lemmy instance that is federated, or the instance where that community is and participate there.
It just doesn't make sense to me. Nobody on hexbear is hopefully using their real name, so what are you gaining by having federation? Bringing your clout with you to other sites?
It's just silly. We all have browsers that can save logins, so it's not about managing logins. Make new accounts on other sites and leave hexbear as it is.
If you want to argue with folks, go create accounts on those instances. Don't clutter up my experience on this site because you want to argue with a bunch of people on the internet.
worth noting that you can just filter out all posts that originate from comms/external instances that aren't Hexbear's. Users from other federated instances can post in Hexbear's comms and you'll see that - but those posts would be subject to Hexbear moderation and whatnot.
It just doesn't make sense to me. Nobody on hexbear is hopefully using their real name, so what are you gaining by having federation? Bringing your clout with you to other sites?
more users, posts, etc. not to mention solidarity with other leftist places like lemmygrad. I mean - just look at some of the instances Bruja posted below. Is there not a single one of those that you'd maybe be interested in seeing a post from, assuming you're not filtering by Hexbear comms only? Our Gardening/Earth comms aren't that active and I wouldn't mind seeing posts from Mander or The Garden, for example. And those are just some instances one person recommended that we could possibly federate with.
I'm sure we'll get shitheads but it is worth considering what we'll actually gain!
i go to hexbear hobby comms for leftist-centric discussion about hobbies. if I wanted to just get general hobby chat about a subject there's a million other sites with more active userbases than the entirety of lemmy. federating would remove the unique features of hexbear hobby comms and leave them flooded with general use, general space reddit-esque discussion. sure, they're empty and mostly unused, but when they are used they're providing something that every other site would not provide
for instance: federating c/ttrpg with the pathfinder lemmy would A: remove piracy discussion unless some rules ceasefire could be planned and B: riddle that comm with nothing but "does perk X make my ass look big on round 3 of combat when using a full-round action?" D&D brain posts
so the net benefit is a truckload of extra moderation work and a flood of posts from another gamer hobby site i could just click to if I wanted to see their reddit posts
if by "recruit new comrades" you mean getting two new users from a hobby site with 72 active users and by "bully reactionaries" you mean subjecting the user base to about 5x the queerphobic attacks they normally get
Your using identity unconstructively as a rhetorical cudgel. We can bully reactionaries on blahaj zone and we'll get plenty of attacks, but they probably won't be queerphobic beyond endless remarks about exactly who is fellating Putin.
They are also racist, but I don't expect them to be talking about FBI crime stats and the 14 words. If anything, their duplicity is helpful for how it makes them pull their punches in a way that is incongruous with their beliefs.
Anyway, no, I don't think they would, not aimed at them anyway. I suppose there are worse reactionaries who are generally "closeted" about their transphobia, but that's true of any population so the question is if it's okay for us to have new users on any basis other than individuals who passed rigorous interrogation.
There's a massive difference between the self-selection for surveys and the self-selection for being on Lemmy, and I was here for that one. People didn't like needing to assign them to themselves for various reasons (including reactionary ones) and various other things, but people didn't misgender other users or mock them for having such-and-such pronouns (though a couple of times specific sets were taken as gags that weren't).
And all I'm saying is the liberal sense of etiquette means they just won't voice their transphobia to a person like they might on a survey, same as how they wouldn't jeer at a black person even if they would get nervous seeing one (1) black teenager walking down the street.
It's about bringing people into the fold. This is a great site and I want to share it. If it weren't for pearl clutching about /r/chapotraphouse I never would have found this space. I want to see pearl clutching about hexbear.net
I would prefer none.
As @MiraculousMM@hexbear.net stated in their comment there is no real reason to open up the floodgates and dilute our site's style and culture with content from another instance.
If you want to argue with folks, go create accounts on those instances. Don't clutter up my experience on this site because you want to argue with a bunch of people on the internet.
It's the same with the issue of "oh but I want to see more content from communities that hexbear doesn't have"
Ok. Go create an account on a Lemmy instance that is federated, or the instance where that community is and participate there.
It just doesn't make sense to me. Nobody on hexbear is hopefully using their real name, so what are you gaining by having federation? Bringing your clout with you to other sites?
It's just silly. We all have browsers that can save logins, so it's not about managing logins. Make new accounts on other sites and leave hexbear as it is.
worth noting that you can just filter out all posts that originate from comms/external instances that aren't Hexbear's. Users from other federated instances can post in Hexbear's comms and you'll see that - but those posts would be subject to Hexbear moderation and whatnot.
more users, posts, etc. not to mention solidarity with other leftist places like lemmygrad. I mean - just look at some of the instances Bruja posted below. Is there not a single one of those that you'd maybe be interested in seeing a post from, assuming you're not filtering by Hexbear comms only? Our Gardening/Earth comms aren't that active and I wouldn't mind seeing posts from Mander or The Garden, for example. And those are just some instances one person recommended that we could possibly federate with.
I'm sure we'll get shitheads but it is worth considering what we'll actually gain!
i go to hexbear hobby comms for leftist-centric discussion about hobbies. if I wanted to just get general hobby chat about a subject there's a million other sites with more active userbases than the entirety of lemmy. federating would remove the unique features of hexbear hobby comms and leave them flooded with general use, general space reddit-esque discussion. sure, they're empty and mostly unused, but when they are used they're providing something that every other site would not provide
for instance: federating c/ttrpg with the pathfinder lemmy would A: remove piracy discussion unless some rules ceasefire could be planned and B: riddle that comm with nothing but "does perk X make my ass look big on round 3 of combat when using a full-round action?" D&D brain posts
Redditors can be banned and the Pathfinder instance isn't responsible for material that is on a different instance
so the net benefit is a truckload of extra moderation work and a flood of posts from another gamer hobby site i could just click to if I wanted to see their reddit posts
We would also be able to recruit new comrades and bully reactionaries
if by "recruit new comrades" you mean getting two new users from a hobby site with 72 active users and by "bully reactionaries" you mean subjecting the user base to about 5x the queerphobic attacks they normally get
Your using identity unconstructively as a rhetorical cudgel. We can bully reactionaries on blahaj zone and we'll get plenty of attacks, but they probably won't be queerphobic beyond endless remarks about exactly who is fellating Putin.
you're right, the small minority of queer specific lemmy instances probably won't launch queerphobic attacks
Even the main lib hives probably won't, they will be horrible chauvinists in a more first-world "progressive" way for the most part.
the average lib is pretty queerphobic, just scratch them regarding hormone blockers or neopronouns
They are also racist, but I don't expect them to be talking about FBI crime stats and the 14 words. If anything, their duplicity is helpful for how it makes them pull their punches in a way that is incongruous with their beliefs.
so queer users will be taking punches, albeit pulled?
Oh hey, I can use the desktop version again maybe
Anyway, no, I don't think they would, not aimed at them anyway. I suppose there are worse reactionaries who are generally "closeted" about their transphobia, but that's true of any population so the question is if it's okay for us to have new users on any basis other than individuals who passed rigorous interrogation.
You don't think liberals will attack queer users in regards to hormone blockers or neopronouns?
No, I don't. I think they'll probably stick to "well don't you know castro killed people like you lmao?" and gems like that.
about 1/4th of american liberals oppose hormone blockers
and i'm guessing you weren't here for hexbear's neopronoun struggle session, then
https://hexbear.net/post/37273
There's a massive difference between the self-selection for surveys and the self-selection for being on Lemmy, and I was here for that one. People didn't like needing to assign them to themselves for various reasons (including reactionary ones) and various other things, but people didn't misgender other users or mock them for having such-and-such pronouns (though a couple of times specific sets were taken as gags that weren't).
And all I'm saying is the liberal sense of etiquette means they just won't voice their transphobia to a person like they might on a survey, same as how they wouldn't jeer at a black person even if they would get nervous seeing one (1) black teenager walking down the street.
liberal sense of etiquette doesn't mean much on an anonymous internet forum
what do you think all of those "removed by mod" comments on that post were, or even some that weren't removed like "Can we go back to focusing on something that matters"?
It's about bringing people into the fold. This is a great site and I want to share it. If it weren't for pearl clutching about /r/chapotraphouse I never would have found this space. I want to see pearl clutching about hexbear.net