Every liberal does it too, from center right radlibs to far-right "conservatives": the most extreme right fringe liberals hate the mainstream liberals for not being bigoted enough, the mainstream libs hate the radlibs for not being cruel enough, and the radlibs hate the left for not being chauvinist enough.

Denouncing chauvinism in particular is like a liberal moral event horizon, a cardinal sin against their self-interested belief in the righteousness of the imperial hegemon that keeps the treats flowing at gunpoint.

  • DickFuckarelli [he/him]
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    11 months ago

    Liberals are incapable of understanding politics.

    Period.

    They're used to only dealing with some form of Fox (or Fox Business) Conservative. Like, thats the only other form of politics they can fathom outside of some vague adherence to "smart government." And when it comes to "getting stuff done" they think it's just a numbers game: just get enough good Libs elected and things will be gooder, or some shit.

    Like, forget war - which for some reason Libs can't wrap their heads around that war is fucking bad. What's the Lib response to climate change or failing healthcare or inexplicable income gaps? Vote harder? California is a Super Majority D state. Obama had Congress sewn up for 2 years. Conservativism is effectively dead where the majority of people live. So what's the endgame? When does shit get better?

    And that's where Libs are left with an identity crisis because to admit any one little (but really fucking big) thing is beyond repair is admitting there are systemic problems that cannot be solved with the only tool in the shed: voting. And that's basically the Lib version of staring into the abyss.

    Everything a Lib knows is a fucking lie.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      11 months ago

      Liberals are incapable of understanding politics.

      Moralists don't really have beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

      • StalinForTime [comrade/them]
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        11 months ago

        What do you mean? I mean they (liberals) definitely do have beliefs, just incoherent and inadequate ones.

        • emizeko [they/them]
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          11 months ago

          here's the full quote:

          Moralists don't really have beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded. Centrism isn't change — not even incremental change. It is control. Over yourself and the world. Exercise it. Look up at the sky, at the dark shapes of Coalition airships hanging there. Ask yourself: is there something sinister in moralism? And then answer: no. God is in his heaven. Everything is normal on Earth.

          https://discoelysium.fandom.com/wiki/Moralist_International

    • StalinForTime [comrade/them]
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      11 months ago

      For liberals, war is a purely economic calculation whose criteria of justification are decided by whether or not they contravene principles whose evolved historical function is the preservation of capitalist social relations and the imperialist world system (whether the liberal in question is a mystified rube or a demonically englightened ghoul). Similarly, criteria of success or failure in war is based on economic calculation. Look at the U$ yankkkie defences of their proxy war in Ukraine: "no Americans are dying, it will weaken the Russian economy, we must secure our interests". Of course we also know, as evidenced spectacularly by the U$ terrorist bombing of the Nord Stream pipelines, that the key objective is always the preservation of U$ economic hegemony, keeping a competitor economically disadvantaged, taking their economic customers in Europe and forcing them into economic dependence on America LNG.

      It's not always that what they know is a lie. Liberals often do know quite a bit, especially the more ghoulish ones. Most of them, yes, are rubes in a lot of respects. But the most basic normative axioms of their thought are detached from reality in a particularly striking way.

      Of course when they fail by their own criteria (see: Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Libya, etc.....) they are never honest about this and use mental gymnastics to avoid responsibility, because that matters more, because the legitimacy of their views must be defended at all costs. This is inculcated into liberals as a matter of liberal cultural necessity because if it wasn't, they would not be able to adequately defend those same capitalist and imperialist socio-economic systems they rely upon and in terms of which they determine their own self-worth.

      • DickFuckarelli [he/him]
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        11 months ago

        Totally. I think it's more accurate to say, the legitimacy of Liberal thought is a lie; however, it's up to the individual Liberal to acknowledge the fallacies and contradictions. Most will just ignore it.

    • OgdenTO [he/him]
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      11 months ago

      Which do you want, smart government or common sense? Those are the only two choices.