• pooh [she/her, any]
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    1 year ago

    Sure feels like 1950s again in here. Are you going to start asking people if they've now, or have ever been, members of the Communist Party?

      • Tachanka [comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        American meddling in Eastern Europe is the only reason Putin ever came to power in the first place, but you're not ready for that conversation.

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        • The dogspaw @midwest.social
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          1 year ago

          Thank you America is the uber vbad guy controlling everything with our mind control gun poor putin was lead astray and didn't know he was being lead into becoming a dictator I see it now where could I have gone wrong all hail putin all hail fake communism

          • Tachanka [comrade/them]
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            1 year ago

            Thank you America is the uber vbad guy controlling everything with our mind control gun

            Why do you say "our"... are you the US government? Why do you identify so strongly with the actions of the government and the bourgeoisie which the people of the United States never consented to?

            Also, this isn't what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that Putin was the chosen successor of Yeltsin, and Yeltsin was the guy who was responsible for gutting, privatizing, deregulating, and destroying the Russian economy on behalf of American business interests. American business interests poured billions into his campaign so that he could drown out all other candidates in the first multiparty election after the collapse of the USSR. When Putin came to power, American conservatives were very pleased, because they thought he would continue down the same path as Yeltsin (i.e privatizing what remained of the Russian state and selling it off to foreign capitalists). Instead, he became more of a Bonapartist figure, trying to maintain the status quo set by Yeltsin, but not privatizing further, and furthermore he tried to compete with America over the European energy market. This made American capitalists very angry. Russia was supposed to be reduced to a balkanized shell of its former self, totally open to looting by the ruling classes of the imperial core. Instead they have this nation they have to compete with now. The whole reason American capitalists are against Putin today has less to do with his actions against Ukraine and more to do with the fact that he competed with American business interests by selling gas to the germans. The Ukrainians meanwhile, in a similar fashion as Russia, was also privatized and hollowed out by US-backed compradors after the collapse of the USSR. So reactionary militias, "territorial defense units" armed and trained by the NED (a CIA front) started a civil war in Ukraine in 2014 against separatists, which led to the war today. The separatist movements came from territories like Donetsk and Luhansk which were part of Russia until Lenin gave those territories to the Ukrainian SSR. People in those regions speak Russian and identify ethnically as Russian. The Ukrainian government was discriminating against them, not allowing them to speak their language in their schools, ethnically cleansing them with US-backed "territorial defense units" from Lviv, the part of Ukraine which is proud of its historical role in WW2 as nazi collaborators. This entire war is a byproduct of how the US took advantage of the post-soviet chaos by pouring money, weapons, etc. into reactionary fascist and conservative groups in post-soviet nations. I mean for fuck's sake the leader of the Nazi collaborator government in Lviv, Yaroslav Stetsko was warmly welcomed by the white house back in the 80s. NATO's collaboration with fascists goes back decades. It goes back to the very founding of NATO.

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            I recall a headline from the War on Terror era "CIA backed terrorists fight pentagon backed terrorists in Syria." If you want an understanding of the horrors of US foreign policy in Eastern Europe and the Middle East, that's it. The US (by which I mean the ruling class in the US) divides other countries on the basis of existing ethnic and religious and economic tensions, arms reactionaries, and then takes advantage of the chaos for their own benefit.

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            poor putin was lead astray and didn't know he was being lead into becoming a dictator I see it now where could I have gone wrong all hail putin all hail fake communism

            you're being smarmy and childish, that is not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying putin is a byproduct of US meddling in eastern europe, not that putin is a victim of anything. Could you do me a favor and try to be even more smarmy and disingenuous in your next lazy response? I'm sure you'll come up with something.

    • DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      1 year ago

      Not exactly. Communists are welcome, tankies are not.

      But I wouldn't vote to defederate from them. I left lemmy.world because it blocked dbzer0. Not one for an instance choosing what I can and can't see unless it's straight up spam or malware.