• AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]
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    1 year ago

    Capitalism with social programs is better than without, but that's not socialism. It's just not neoliberalism.

        • Milk@lemmy.sdf.org
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          1 year ago

          Concentration of power with those "social services", making people pay higher taxes many times for unfair reasons. Socialism has all the power on the State with no or little room for individuals themselves to make their businesses and companies, companies that'll thrive will be friends with the king and create a monopoly in that country. Putting everything in the hands of the State is a recipe of disaster.

          • christiansocialist [none/use name]
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            1 year ago

            Socialism has all the power on the State with no or little room for individuals themselves to make their businesses and companies, companies that'll thrive will be friends with the king and create a monopoly in that country.

            China has tons of small and big businesses and it's still socialist.

          • PreachHard@mander.xyz
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            1 year ago

            When you say "no room to make business." That's where I think the fundamental disagreement is rooted. Socialism is inherently built on the idea that what you are building in a capitalist system is exploiting labour. The people you bring in should have ownership of the company too in a socialist system, not the state. What you're describing is a communist dictatorship. State programs should be run by the state just as they are in most countries now. You certainly don't want companies running your government.

          • masquenox@lemmy.ml
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            1 year ago

            Putting everything in the hands of the State is a recipe of disaster.

            Tell me you don't understand what the word socialism means without telling me you don't understand what the word socialism means.