• Babs [she/her]
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    1 year ago

    Do you think it is realistic that Russia will unilaterally pull out? The war will end when Russia leaves, but Russia isn't going to leave until they are pushed out, negotiations are had, or Ukraine is destroyed. The first possibility is becoming increasingly more unlikely, and the last is something that nobody should want

    That leaves negotiations. I think Ukraine should come to the table while they still have some leverage, which is decreasing every week that they throw their men into the meat grinder without meaningful gains.

    • sunbeam60@lemmy.one
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      1 year ago

      It doesn’t leave only negotiations. Russia tried for 10+ years in Afghanistan. The US the same, there and in Vietnam. There is such as giving up and going home. That’s the “win” a small state can inflict on a large one. I don’t think that’s where Ukraine and Russia is headed, but there’s a quick for Ukraine and a slow “win” for Ukraine.

      • TheLepidopterists [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Wait, so your ideal is instead of negotiations, in the same vein as Afghanistan, Ukraine experiences this horrible war for another 9 years and then becomes a state ruled by the fighters involved in the war with the most extremist far right ideology rule it as a theocracy? To be clear that ideology in this case is Nazism.

        You don't sound like an ally of the Ukrainian people.

      • ToxicDivinity [comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        Yeah why negotiate now while we still have hundreds of thousands of lives to throw into the meat grinder.

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            4 months ago

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          • Łumało [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
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            1 year ago

            You do realise that it was Ukraine who refuesed to negotiate and not the other way around? Also, mind reminding me who it is that is performing a failing counteroffensive?

              • Catradora_Stalinism [she/her, comrade/them]
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                1 year ago

                You are a fascist.

                aw the red fascist move, a classic. you are clearly very smart. Ukraine is also guilty, it could leave the donbass and crimea, or at least given them proper autonomy within the country. Thats all they had to do. But no they chose to do a genocide and now we're here.

              • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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                1 year ago

                And leave the people of the Donbas republics to be massacred by Ukranian Nazis? Idk, sounds like what a fascist would want.

                • GivingEuropeASpook [they/them, comrade/them]
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                  1 year ago

                  Why is it Russia's job to police Ukraine? Shouldn't it be Ukrainians who aren't Nazis instead of a foreign occupational force? I thought occupations by foreign powers were bad?

                  • Egon
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                    4 months ago

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                  • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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                    1 year ago

                    Honest question, what do you mean by "bad"? Morally bad? When has that ever been a meaningful factor in the security perogatives of a state? Also, how is it an occupation when the DPR and LPR are fighting alongaide the RF as allies? Do you still consider the Donbas part of Ukraine? I'm trying to understand your position here because (and I mean this clinically, not as an insult) despite your pfp, you've been saying a lot of stuff in this thread that would seem to come from a more standard liberal perspective.

          • Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml
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            1 year ago

            You don't make any sense man. I feel like you're all red in the face when you write these nonsensical replies.

      • Adkml [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        So in your mind there's no situation where ukraine doesn't win this war?

        • sunbeam60@lemmy.one
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          1 year ago

          For sure there’s a real risk Ukraine isn’t winning this war. But there’s never been a war where there’s absolute certainty one side will win, until we get to the “downfall” times.

          • Adkml [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            So you think they should just keep sending conscripts to die until the downfall times or until Russia just decides to leave?