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  • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    I'm a Marxist. My perspective on history, my theory of change, beliefs about capitalism and socialism, do not require morality.

    The belief in the role the proletariat will play in transforming society is not based on moral superiority. It is based on the existence of class conflict and that they are the class with revolutionary potentional.

    Capitalism is not a stable or static system, and it cannot sustain itself forever because its existence demands perpetual growth. As it reaches this endpoint, the contridictions in this system heighten, as will the conflict between the proletariat and the bourgeois. The proletariat will prevail, not for any moral reason, but because they are the class on which the entire system relies.

    As a human being i feel its a vastly morally superior project. But my feeling is completely immaterial, as is whatever judgment you place on my opinion

      • emizeko [they/them]
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        1 year ago

        because it's the end of capitalism that's inevitable, not communism. we could also wind up with the common ruin of the contending classes and a dead world

          • RedDawn [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            Not necessarily extinction, but certainly ruin. It’s already doing that with the climate crisis, but even if we could make that magically disappear today, the contradictions of capitalism lead only to a) the overthrow of capitalism and the capitalist class by the workers (socialism/communism) or b) the capitalist class resorts to ultraviolence to maintain its power and brings ruination to society (fascism)

            • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
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              1 year ago

              You don't think small appeasement of the masses is possible? I think the apparatus has gotten pretty good at giving just enough comfort that it's too much work to shift the status quo.

              • emizeko [they/them]
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                1 year ago

                concessions have been increasingly off the table since 1991

                https://redsails.org/concessions/

              • RedDawn [he/him]
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                1 year ago

                It has been possible so far in the imperial core, owing to superprofits gained by exploiting the workers of other countries outside of the imperial core. However, the inherent contradictions of capitalism like the tendency of the rate of profit to fall mean that this can’t be sustained indefinitely, especially not once the third world shakes off the imperialists and refuses to be exploited any longer.

          • somename [she/her]
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            1 year ago

            Capitalism is doing such a great job mitigating climate change.

        • JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
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          1 year ago

          But why struggle for it? If it's going to happen anyways, may as well do what's best for yourself and not stick your head up.

          • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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            1 year ago

            Because I'm not a lib like you.

            But seriously, the point i was making was not about inevitability. It was making a distinction that Marxism as an ideology is based on scientific principles (this was a differentiation from early utopian socialists). We believe in theory, practice, and refinement of theory informed by practice.

            While i as an individual believe that communism is morally correct, that belief is immaterial from the truth that Marxism illuminates

              • RedDawn [he/him]
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                1 year ago

                Can you rephrase the question? Are you asking how Marxists in positions of power, like in the former USSR or China use Marxism to determine policy?