On this day in 1945, Hồ Chí Minh announced the Proclamation of Independence of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam to a crowd of thousands at the Ba Đình flower garden (now Ba Đình Square).

The Proclamation led directly to war with France, which concluded in the country being divided between French and self-rule at the 17th parallel. Vietnam would not achieve a unified, independent rule until 1976.

The Proclamation quoted heavily from the American Declaration of Independence and was vehemently critical of French rule. An excerpt reads:

"'All men are created equal. They are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, among them are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.' This immortal statement was made in the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America in 1776. In a broader sense, this means: All the peoples on the earth are equal from birth, all the peoples have a right to live, to be happy and free.

...Nevertheless, for more than eighty years, the French imperialists, abusing the standard of Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity, have violated our Fatherland and oppressed our fellow-citizens. They have acted contrary to the ideals of humanity and justice. In the field of politics, they have deprived our people of every democratic liberty...They have built more prisons than schools. They have mercilessly slain our patriots; they have drowned our uprisings in rivers of blood...They have robbed us of our rice fields, our mines, our forests, and our raw materials.

For these reasons, we, members of the Provisional Government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, solemnly declare to the world that Vietnam has the right to be a free and independent country - and in fact is so already. The entire Vietnamese people are determined to mobilize all their physical and mental strength, to sacrifice their lives and property in order to safeguard their independence and liberty."

Declaration of Independence of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam uncle-ho-2

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  • Catradora_Stalinism [she/her, comrade/them]
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    1 年前
    spoiler

    DON'T GET COMFORTABLE WITH THE BLIMPS WE ARE GOING TO BE ON THE GROUND THAT'S FINAL! The amount of effort to go just to get all this shit to venus would be lazily used if we just set up a balloon city and call it a day. Although useful for industrial situations and creating stations above mining areas for collection, as cities they're impractical. The blimp would need to be so absurdly large to carry all the basics of a city (adding on the weight of the radiation shielding, which would need to be a fuckton), and it would be enormously expensive! And also we don't know if there are some alien monkeys down on the surface who might take offense to the flying structures.

    Another helpful thing is that those blimp structures (shut up again temporary) can be used to remote control mining drones on the surface to prospect for materials. Venus is extremely rich in everything we could need. We just need earth to send over some of those mining robots to the surface to strip mine it (the later stuff will cover up this dw). The robots would mine away, collect the necessary materials, then just have some compressed hydrogen cartridges to open up a giant balloon on their back, and float up real cute-like to be collected. Resources could be deposited in a main station tethered over the site, then when full could launch a helium balloon full of the materials even higher into the atmosphere. A skyhook orbiting the planet would be able to pick up the package, and launch it toward the space drones waiting to take them in for processing.

    a similar blimp and hook technique can be used to transfer people, tech, and whatever else you need back into the planet. Main hubs can be set up to facilitate people and resources for specialized on the ground work.

    Congratulations! We don't need to build a space elevator! Good thing too because the materials to build the damn thing on a planet with gravity like venus or earth is a massive industrial effort. Balloons and skyhooks are far easier.

    Due to the high atmosphere, we can also legitimately just hanglide around the planet, you just need a few cans of compressed air to give you a boost if you need one. So checkups on stations can be easy.

    Now mining stations and other such basic infrastructure should be started to be set up around the whole planet, with beginning efforts focused on the expansion of our resources gathering, and establishment of a seamless system to provide a steady stream of the bountiful resources of Venus.

    Okay do you realize how insane it is to have such a cheap way of setting up mining, science, and living infrastructure all around the planet. While at the same time a cheap, low energy, and safe method to transfer resources back and forth from planet to space? THAT IS FUCKING INSANE! THAT'S WHY WE LOVE VENUS! VENUS IS FUCKING GREAT!

    (pssst if you wanna be real sexy and dangerous: A source of some cheap quick energy is all that geothermal activity all over venus. Set up some geothermal plants, and send the energy through cables to battery charging stations in balloons resting above them. Can be useful if you wanna use solar power infrastructure elsewhere, or for those areas of the planet that are dark for so long. 243 day in a single rotation.)

    Okay this ease of access is highly likely in a realistic scenario too, its literally super fucking great. Just make sure to have your blimps float above or around any storms.

    • Catradora_Stalinism [she/her, comrade/them]
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      1 年前
      spoiler

      Now lets talk phase two

      We also need the heavy Atmosphere to clear out because its heaviness literally compounds the carbon dioxide so that it slightly breaks physics and becomes a liquid/gas hybrid that currently makes up the oceans. But worry about that later its easier to fix than you think. We just need to cool down the atmosphere

      Okay there is a method I've seen where it is possible to use concentrated beams of light refracted from the sun by various mirrors to shred off the atmosphere of a planet, like concentrated climate change. But this time its a good thing! We're going to need a lot of mirrors and a machine the size of a skyscraper, and who in the hell would be able to power it! Although the vacuum of space is great at managing temperature. The real problem then turns into the sheer amount of insanely strong alloys. Well we are building a mini death star lol. You really need it, Venus has an atmosphere 120 times thicker than earth. Luckily the weak magnetosphere (that helps you retain atmosphere, also another reason mars is bad it doesn't even have one) will make this easier.

      But its also a really stupid Idea. Don't do that. Just think of how stupid an idea that would be

      aight have a few slazers just for fun if you feel like it, death rays might come in handy later.

      The real solution is still really insanely expensive

      okay you know how sun is the thing that makes things warm

      Just block that

      Legitimately

      Okay so you know those solar panels saved up due to the very neat geothermal plants? The surplus is nice, but we're going to need more, a lot more.

      Solar sails time!

      Graphene, lot of it, create a thin sheet (and by thin I mean literally measured in nanometers) and make the sheets about the size of the average football field (yes, i'm american, how'd ya know pard'ner?)

      make a whole shitload of those, make sure they can be controlled (an ion drive works fine), and attach some solar panels to charge it. Then line them up and blot out the goddamn sun. This will do some crazy shit to venus, as it does when you blot out the sun.

      "but how does covering the sun help with the atmosphere that is very much still there"

      SHUT UP im getting there

      aight the planet is cooling a lot now, pressure is all wonky, the upper layer is freezing and

      oh wow, now its raining liquid carbon dioxide, how nuts, I didn't know that it could do that (im pretending to be you, the clueless onlooker, amazed by my sheer genius)

      its going to rain, and then the rain is going to freeze. You may have caught on already, but we're freezing all the atmospheric carbon

      so it will keep raining and getting gradually colder while losing pressure. around 80 years of that and we're all good!

      BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN SHIT WE GOT WORK TO DO

      also please tell me you picked all your shit off the surface of the planet before freezing it or you just lost some very expensive equipment.

      But the thing is we're going to need about a small moon's worth of ice! Venus needs real oceans to sustain itself as a planet! It doesn't have enough h2o on the planet to make anything other than sad lakes!

      But thats fukin okay! Saturn and Jupiter have enough, same with the vast amount of ice in the meteor belt. Collecting that is easier said than done, but the rocket fuel from slazering it is quite enough to make it a self sustaining sort of project. Just make sure to have grabbed it before freezing the entire planet into ice.

      Lets stick with jupiter moons and the belts though, easier. Europa, Ganymede, and Callisto are good jupiter moon candidates. For those who want to rip apart Europe, lets say we use that moon! I was actually going to use that one anyway because it has a shitload of ice, probably 2 or 3 times more than earth Tossing it out of orbit and using jupiters gravity to thrower to venus. A Hohmann transfer iirc. Something almost biblical in its intensity.

      Although uh warning its going to severely fuck up the gravitational path of anything near it. So you will have to throw it when the earth is on the other side of the solar system (mars can get fucked honestly, but ig you can do it when they both far.) this opportunity window is very fucking small. So you just have to push an ice moon out of the orbiter of jupiter (which is only a few planets worth of gas away from being a fucking sun), maneuvering it over the asteroid belt and past mars and earth (without fucking up the pathway of any meteors), and somehow moving the goddammed thing into the orbit of Venus. Doing all of this without accidentally fucking up the orbit of mars or earth, most likely killing us all. Okay, well that is hard but honestly not impossible. If you're devoting the full resources of a interplanetary civilization with at least some dyson swarm, you can scrounge something up. The best option is throwing even smaller moons (these ones are glorified meteors at it) with some well timed hydrogen bombs to move it out of orbit. Warning it will also be an eyesore, the ice planet will be 90% the size of our moon and several times brighter, so it will definitely be seen in the sky.

      So we won't do that, thats dumb and a fuckton of work. Lets mine Europa, the ISSR needs help getting to the lower layers anyway for research. Take giant chunks of ice, put them on a mass drive, and send them shooting toward venus. The ice will either hit the ground, or break up in atmosphere. Either way more water yass its really good and necessary for a healthy balance.

      Now you'll chuck all of that shit at venus while freezing its atmosphere with a giant mirror. (please pick up the soviet satellites beforehand, the are smol and cute). More water is better, get a healthy amount, and listen to your computers.

      The glacial meteors can also be used to fix some of those rotational issues! Strategically target the landing of the glaciers an you can probably speed up the planet's spin to allow for a full earth 24 hours. Kidding, although it sounds easy, just to increase it to an hour it'd actually need a similar explosive energy of the Hohmann transfer we would have done with that moon. So uh maybe do in fact chuck Europa.

      You won't be able to solve the tilt with this though, not even close! ΔW=1.55×1034J is for changing 90 degrees on an planet similar to earth's mass (which Venus is similar enough to). The science nerds will know that is an insanely fucking large amount of energy. Thats more than what you'd need to kick it like a soccer ball (an exaggeration). but while we only need to tilt it 20 degrees, thats still enough to destroy our moon. So tilting is off the table for now. But who needed winter anyways! I don't like snow and it seems to just be annoying to nature. Also we might not need the sun, as I'll explain later.

      basically you'd need more than one europa.

      The fun part begins! The planet is cooling! Did you know that Venus has the most volcanoes out of any planet in the solar system? Remember how I said its easier to do Venus than mars for terraforming? ITS INFINITELY HARDER WITH MARS ITS FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT MARS!

      • Catradora_Stalinism [she/her, comrade/them]
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        1 年前
        spoiler

        Okay now its been 80ish years and all that co2 and h20 has frozen, leaving venus a giant ice planet. With an atmosphere, although earth like in size and pressure, its entirely nitrogen. Although it looks pretty cute, its got continents and islands and all kids of earth stuff.

        now we need the planet warmer, because we want earth 2 not planet siberia. but if the co2 warms, it just becomes what it was before, so you need to do a special thing.

        Okay one thing first we gotta fucking make fun of the stupid idea to cover this all up with dirt basically and its the stupidest thing i've ever heard. Covering up this massive layer of co2 would be like building your house on top of a pressure triggered land mine. dumbasses

        we're not going to do that

        Okay but we need it to warm up, not all at once, and get some shit there going

        but venus can't spin fast enough to create a day/night cycle and create a proper magnetosphere

        I can help with the former first, idk about the latter

        no day night cycle? fake it, fake the shit out of it. You already have giant mirrors blotting out the sun. Why not take the next step? Lets get our printers (which should be very numerous by now) to churn out miners and solar sails

        yeah you read my right bucko back to venus. We gonna need to offload a lot of that co2 ice. but since we can't balloon this shit anymore, just fuck it and put some large mass drivers and sky hooks to start throwing it all into a small moon. why? Because we can't just have all that co2 on the planet, come up with a better idea, and if not, we're sending shit into orbit the old fashioned way. well, new old fashioned way.

        Now the solar sails, build those giant ass mirror chains, and start controlling how a planet heats up. You can now direct the process properly to just have large water oceans in areas where the co2 got scraped off to start melting it into proper oceans.

        do this for 20 years, minimum. Slow down immediately if shit starts heating up.

        wait yall moved the space station far away for this right?

        now also you'll see we now have a very small moon of co2 as well, start controlling its rotation. it has a gravitational pull, and since we are making this moon, we can choose how it behaves. This can help speed up the planet, although not at any high rate.

        Now at this point you have a cool mini-ring and a moon, along with a nice looking rock with some beautiful oceans.

        Now the great green begins my comrades. The atmosphere is still basically all nitrogen, so some nitrogen fixers, really basic ones, outta do the trick. Hopefully those greenhouse farms were being used for more than vegan burgers. You should be loading up several planes with microbial iron supplements, and the key to it all: Cyanobacteria. This girl is one of the first, if not the first, organism on planet earth. It is perfect. Deploy that in your oceans, and you got a living planet.

        Now these girls are wonderful, as you drop their through the ocean, using the supplements and mirrors to accelerate growth. You'll have beautiful nitrogen fixers all across your oceans. These girls absorb the nitrogen and release oxygen, as well as releasing various nutrients that are essential to more complex organisms. Your oceans are becoming fit for life. Its a torrent from there. keep inserting gradually more complex microbe organisms.

        monitor and speed up this process by whatever means necessary, they need to start making the water habitable while making the atmosphere have oxygen.

        Gene editing time, someone create the wackiest looking animals idk

        gear up those mining drones, and gather some goddamn dirt owl-wink. You're about to do some mulching projects with gene edited plants. Bushes, grasses, and trees oh my! Nitrogen fixers my god I like! These girls are your firsts. You'll then see an explosion of green across the venusian soil, rapidly allowing for the formation of a plant ecosystem.

        but wait another 20 years for the transformation to continue. Then introduce more microbes into the ocean and start doing experiments with gene edited low complexity organisms to introduce into Venus. It still will have a lot of nitrogen for a very long time, even though oxygen has a presence now.

        animals are a farther off bet, youll have to edit the shit out of animals.

        you can now descend to venus, it isn't finished, but its good enough for settlement. the moon around venus, whatever you name it, can be a further dumping site for people to use later, right now you gotta use it to increase the rotation speed of venus. You only have to go out with an oxygen mask, otherwise its fine. You also have a lighter step to ya, venus has slightly less gravity.

        wait several hundred years

        now oxygen levels are fit for humans to not need

        boom terraformed venus, congratulations hexbear, we've don it

        uh wow it took me until 3am to write this nonsense

        I regret absolutely nothing

        • buckykat [none/use name]
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          1 年前

          Hell yeah comrade.

          Skyhooks, a little slazer as a treat, central planning on the scale of centuries this is my shit.

          Don't fuck with Europa though (At least not without many decades of surveys confirming beyond all doubt there's nothing living in that ocean), take the ice from the belt instead.

          • Catradora_Stalinism [she/her, comrade/them]
            ·
            1 年前

            World Socialism can get shit fucking done.

            You can terraform venus without and crazy insane shit like you need for any other planet. And it can be done all the way up to the plant growth stage in 80-120 years. By that time I expect 120 years to be the human lifespan, so many would see its beginning and completion. It would be an achievement 2nd to a dyson swarm or ftl drive. This is not if earth devoted all of their solar efforts to this project. Stripping the co2 ice would be a matter of one or two five year plans (IN SPACE).

            Slazers are good if you want shit melted fast, and it can burn off an atmosphere if you build a big enough one. They're also just so wacky I love them. There is a way I've seen that just peels off hydrogen from the sun itself and directs it at the planet. Far bigger, far harder to make, but it could peel off that atmosphere in a few years.

            But I really like the idea of keeping the co2 ice, you never know when you need it. So sadly, I could not make them the main focus. Although I see them being very useful in some areas you want to speed up melting.

            Maybe any leftover capitalists you can leave planet side, and then they have to watch a wrath of basically biblical proportion, the of the wrath of the sun itself, descend from the heavens to destroy them.

            I was thinking similarly, since there are a lot of small moons of ice just floating around there, but I wanted to give a surefire option. We know for sure europa has a fuckton of ice, and we know we can use jupiter's gravity to shoot it. Although to see if theres life, they're going to need some ice removed anyway. We could also take almost 1/4th of the ice of the planet without really effecting the lower layers. Thats still contents equal to half our ocean. I see what you mean though, lets take more from the belts instead. Less pressure on a celestial object we've had for centuries would be nice of course, especially ones we have observed for a few hundred years.

            Also I forgot to mention, the little co2 moon is moved by further collisions. Plan out an orbit path you'd want to speed up rotation and tilt, and start sending shit along that path to hit together into a moon. Any further adjustments? Divert some co2 ice to build up a mini moon or large asteroid that will accelerate and hit the big moon into alignment.

            thank you for reading!

            • buckykat [none/use name]
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              1 年前

              I love skyhooks, they're like space elevators but we could build them with materials that actually exist.

              Maybe any leftover capitalists you can leave planet side, and then they have to watch a wrath of basically biblical proportion, the of the wrath of the sun itself, descend from the heavens to destroy them.

              Now that's a solution to NIMBYs I can approve of.

              I don't really expect to find life in Europa, but it's less unlikely than any other non-Earth place in the solar system. Also, why lift ice out of a gravity well when you can just throw the stuff that's already floating?

              Carbon and Oxygen are both really handy and once you're throwing slazers and dyson swarms around liberating them is no longer really an energy concern so I agree with keeping the CO2 moon around.

              Drilling through kilometers of ice is something we should develop anyway in the near term to help try and slow down Antarctica's slide into the sea.

              • Catradora_Stalinism [she/her, comrade/them]
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                1 年前

                Also new Idea, We could easily develop the plants and animals beforehand through experimentation in some early cylinder habitats. Pretty simple to build, uh actually insane space stations that can internally have a space the size of new york city AT LEAST. They take a lot of resources but are insanely useful, as if you basically picked up a chunk of earth people could live in, used for farming, or my current use: ecosystem modeling. They could be used to model the gravity, atmosphere, and sunlight exposure on our post-thaw Venus. It would take a lot of transportation of raw soil, nitrogen, and water just to build the internal habitat, but it would be worth it. With resources from earth, you could gene edit existing plant and animal dna, creating creatures and organisms to survive in this cylinder. This space, you probably just need a single one, could be used for all ecosystem modeling for venus in the future. Then once the conditions of the green phase arrive, you have really good candidates for starting up an environment.

                I love space

                • buckykat [none/use name]
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                  1 年前

                  Once you start building Sides, the need to terraform planets at all goes down drastically. The matter efficiency of space habitats is far greater than that of planets, actually.

                  The Culture perspective that terraforming itself is ecologically unsound does hold some appeal to me, but it is much more of a Fucking Magic than an Actual Machines kind of setting.

                  • Catradora_Stalinism [she/her, comrade/them]
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                    1 年前

                    I know, but lets say they're at an early stage where they need a lot of outer infrastructure to operate

                    and interesting, I have considered that, I just wanted to do some experiments. Although I side more on the side of terraforming, we can just terraform, introduce basic ecosystems, and then not allow anyone to colonize it. Allow venus to develop on its own.