A tankie is a hardline ML in your opinion yes? Did you know most "tankies" read theory to better understand the world and are definitely more knowledgeable than "socialists" (by which you mean libs who aren't actually socialist like yourself)
I'm not really in the business of sourcing things to users from an instance that is basically a Sealioning factory.
Ultimately, I will get told I don't understand economics until I've read all three volumes of Das Kapital. Ironically, it's no different that libertarians saying you don't understand economics unless you've read the works of Milton Friedman, or more importantly, Ayn Rand.
"When you make a contentious claim and someone asks for a source that's them doing a logical fallacy"
Ultimately, I will get told I don't understand economics until I've read all three volumes of Das Kapital. Ironically, it's no different that libertarians saying you don't understand economics unless you've read the works of Milton Friedman, or more importantly, Ayn Rand.
Okay, except as part of the background of growing up in the imperial core youre already exposed to their ideology so you don't need to read it. You're not really exposed to Marxism here and you need a background to understand it.
I agree capital isn't the best starting point but for some reason anti-communists love trying to argue economics when they know nothing about economics, so thats when capital generally gets brought up and its become a meme from that.
What to you is a tankie. Are they in the room with us right now? Anyway I'm disengaging because you're clearly a debatebro (and lib) who can't argue in good faith. but I'll leave you a link to hexbears policy posting bulletins
I agree. This is why I caution more nuanced takes on economics. A lot of people on Hexbear think a revolution occuring in the US is going to look like 1917, but really it's going to be more like 1923. Take a look at the closest we have been to a "revolution" since 1776.
The question is just how bad things are going to get before socialism happens. It might get to fascists killing people like me in the streets beforehand, but fascism will not resolve the contradictions of capitalism and will not prevent the inevitability of socialism.
This is a human problem that cannot seem to be fixed. It feels like a simulation how history is constantly stuck in the same power cycles without sustained improvement.
There are innocent people who have been conditioned to think the status quo is the best we have, who themselves are victims of misinformation. The only left-wing revolutions I've seen in history involves purging these people from society, which eventually creates the left wing gestapos, like the NKVD. These organizations persist to squash dissidents and millions of deaths later these countries revert to capitalism or quasi-capitalism due to a failed system.
I don't know what the best answer to it is, but there are no quick fixes.
As someone who knew people who were in nazi concentration camps, Im done talking with you about this. You're wrong and you're being incredibly offensive.
Both organizations participated in overwhelming amount of extrajudicial killings.
Of who?
Incidentally, both organizations also purged socialists.
Arresting someone for a crime who happens to be a socialist is exactly the same as purging socialists for being socialists because you think they're secret agents of the Jews.
This is the laziest equivocation I've ever seen and you should eat a pile of leaves.
Again, coming from a German instance you should be more mindful. Equating a fascist regime and a socialist state is actually a fascist talking point disguised as centrism.
Extrajudicial killings are definitely not good when you just look at it in a vacuum/without context and noone argues in favor of that. Not on hexbear at least.
That said, looking at things without context is not dialectical aka lib. And the context here being WW2..
A tankie is a hardline ML in your opinion yes? Did you know most "tankies" read theory to better understand the world and are definitely more knowledgeable than "socialists" (by which you mean libs who aren't actually socialist like yourself)
No, but one of the top posts in the "tankiverse" recently was saying that places like North Korea are the bastions of freedom.
More nuanced takes on communism, etc are done instances other than Hexbear and Lemmygrad.
Why does your opinion on the DPRK align with propaganda from a country that killed 20 percent of all Koreans to prevent a unified democratic Korea?
Why do you act like any one right of Karl Marx must be a dunce who blindly supports the global status quo?
You're acting like it when you repeat American attitudes about the dprk.
Sometimes it be that way.
Source that isnt aligned with US interests?
I'm not really in the business of sourcing things to users from an instance that is basically a Sealioning factory.
Ultimately, I will get told I don't understand economics until I've read all three volumes of Das Kapital. Ironically, it's no different that libertarians saying you don't understand economics unless you've read the works of Milton Friedman, or more importantly, Ayn Rand.
"When you make a contentious claim and someone asks for a source that's them doing a logical fallacy"
Okay, except as part of the background of growing up in the imperial core youre already exposed to their ideology so you don't need to read it. You're not really exposed to Marxism here and you need a background to understand it.
I agree capital isn't the best starting point but for some reason anti-communists love trying to argue economics when they know nothing about economics, so thats when capital generally gets brought up and its become a meme from that.
Have you considered not being or doing that?
Link me to a nuanced take please
What to you is a tankie. Are they in the room with us right now? Anyway I'm disengaging because you're clearly a debatebro (and lib) who can't argue in good faith. but I'll leave you a link to hexbears policy posting bulletins
A tankie is a supporter of an authoritarian country that either is, or presents itself as, a left wing.
Pretty unambiguous definition.
You need to define authoritarian in a way that doesn't include basically every country for that to be a reasonable definition.
Jails dissidents without a modicum of due process.
Yeah it's a problem in a lot of countries, welcome to the "status quo".
So all countries then.
So your definition of tankie is "a supporter of country that either is, or presents itself, as left wing."
I thought it was implied it meant socialist or communist.
What does?
The post you responded to...
Which part?
Ya know what, nevermind.
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Thank you for acknowledging that it is basically useless because it is just a thing states do.
Also fascists and other reactionary dissidents should be repressed when they try to organize.
I agree. This is why I caution more nuanced takes on economics. A lot of people on Hexbear think a revolution occuring in the US is going to look like 1917, but really it's going to be more like 1923. Take a look at the closest we have been to a "revolution" since 1776.
The question is just how bad things are going to get before socialism happens. It might get to fascists killing people like me in the streets beforehand, but fascism will not resolve the contradictions of capitalism and will not prevent the inevitability of socialism.
This is a human problem that cannot seem to be fixed. It feels like a simulation how history is constantly stuck in the same power cycles without sustained improvement.
There are innocent people who have been conditioned to think the status quo is the best we have, who themselves are victims of misinformation. The only left-wing revolutions I've seen in history involves purging these people from society, which eventually creates the left wing gestapos, like the NKVD. These organizations persist to squash dissidents and millions of deaths later these countries revert to capitalism or quasi-capitalism due to a failed system.
I don't know what the best answer to it is, but there are no quick fixes.
https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory
As someone who knew people who were in nazi concentration camps, Im done talking with you about this. You're wrong and you're being incredibly offensive.
The Gestapo and NKVD were both oppressive secret police organizations. Why is it controversial to say this?
I was genuinely trying to turn this into a good-faith debate and was going to note it as my first positive interaction with a Hexbear user.
One was opressing communists, ethnic and sexual minorities, one was opressing capitalists and other reactionaries
You equate the two...
Please look into the tolerance paradox
Coming from a German instance you should be more mindful
Both organizations participated in overwhelming amount of extrajudicial killings. Incidentally, both organizations also purged socialists.
Of who?
Arresting someone for a crime who happens to be a socialist is exactly the same as purging socialists for being socialists because you think they're secret agents of the Jews.
This is the laziest equivocation I've ever seen and you should eat a pile of leaves.
Again, coming from a German instance you should be more mindful. Equating a fascist regime and a socialist state is actually a fascist talking point disguised as centrism.
Extrajudicial killings are definitely not good when you just look at it in a vacuum/without context and noone argues in favor of that. Not on hexbear at least.
That said, looking at things without context is not dialectical aka lib. And the context here being WW2..
Yeah this is what I would say too if I didn't understand history.
Yeah this what I would say too if I only understood one version of history.
Turns out you were serious. Perhaps you should log off the internet and open a history book, friend.
Maybe you should listen to the literal mainstream historical position instead of pop history.