I agree. This is why I caution more nuanced takes on economics. A lot of people on Hexbear think a revolution occuring in the US is going to look like 1917, but really it's going to be more like 1923. Take a look at the closest we have been to a "revolution" since 1776.
The question is just how bad things are going to get before socialism happens. It might get to fascists killing people like me in the streets beforehand, but fascism will not resolve the contradictions of capitalism and will not prevent the inevitability of socialism.
This is a human problem that cannot seem to be fixed. It feels like a simulation how history is constantly stuck in the same power cycles without sustained improvement.
There are innocent people who have been conditioned to think the status quo is the best we have, who themselves are victims of misinformation. The only left-wing revolutions I've seen in history involves purging these people from society, which eventually creates the left wing gestapos, like the NKVD. These organizations persist to squash dissidents and millions of deaths later these countries revert to capitalism or quasi-capitalism due to a failed system.
I don't know what the best answer to it is, but there are no quick fixes.
As someone who knew people who were in nazi concentration camps, Im done talking with you about this. You're wrong and you're being incredibly offensive.
Both organizations participated in overwhelming amount of extrajudicial killings.
Of who?
Incidentally, both organizations also purged socialists.
Arresting someone for a crime who happens to be a socialist is exactly the same as purging socialists for being socialists because you think they're secret agents of the Jews.
This is the laziest equivocation I've ever seen and you should eat a pile of leaves.
Again, coming from a German instance you should be more mindful. Equating a fascist regime and a socialist state is actually a fascist talking point disguised as centrism.
Extrajudicial killings are definitely not good when you just look at it in a vacuum/without context and noone argues in favor of that. Not on hexbear at least.
That said, looking at things without context is not dialectical aka lib. And the context here being WW2..
A tankie is a supporter of an authoritarian country that either is, or presents itself as, a left wing.
Pretty unambiguous definition.
You need to define authoritarian in a way that doesn't include basically every country for that to be a reasonable definition.
Jails dissidents without a modicum of due process.
Yeah it's a problem in a lot of countries, welcome to the "status quo".
So all countries then.
So your definition of tankie is "a supporter of country that either is, or presents itself, as left wing."
I thought it was implied it meant socialist or communist.
What does?
The post you responded to...
Which part?
Ya know what, nevermind.
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Thank you for acknowledging that it is basically useless because it is just a thing states do.
Also fascists and other reactionary dissidents should be repressed when they try to organize.
I agree. This is why I caution more nuanced takes on economics. A lot of people on Hexbear think a revolution occuring in the US is going to look like 1917, but really it's going to be more like 1923. Take a look at the closest we have been to a "revolution" since 1776.
The question is just how bad things are going to get before socialism happens. It might get to fascists killing people like me in the streets beforehand, but fascism will not resolve the contradictions of capitalism and will not prevent the inevitability of socialism.
This is a human problem that cannot seem to be fixed. It feels like a simulation how history is constantly stuck in the same power cycles without sustained improvement.
There are innocent people who have been conditioned to think the status quo is the best we have, who themselves are victims of misinformation. The only left-wing revolutions I've seen in history involves purging these people from society, which eventually creates the left wing gestapos, like the NKVD. These organizations persist to squash dissidents and millions of deaths later these countries revert to capitalism or quasi-capitalism due to a failed system.
I don't know what the best answer to it is, but there are no quick fixes.
https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory
As someone who knew people who were in nazi concentration camps, Im done talking with you about this. You're wrong and you're being incredibly offensive.
The Gestapo and NKVD were both oppressive secret police organizations. Why is it controversial to say this?
I was genuinely trying to turn this into a good-faith debate and was going to note it as my first positive interaction with a Hexbear user.
One was opressing communists, ethnic and sexual minorities, one was opressing capitalists and other reactionaries
You equate the two...
Please look into the tolerance paradox
Coming from a German instance you should be more mindful
Both organizations participated in overwhelming amount of extrajudicial killings. Incidentally, both organizations also purged socialists.
Of who?
Arresting someone for a crime who happens to be a socialist is exactly the same as purging socialists for being socialists because you think they're secret agents of the Jews.
This is the laziest equivocation I've ever seen and you should eat a pile of leaves.
Again, coming from a German instance you should be more mindful. Equating a fascist regime and a socialist state is actually a fascist talking point disguised as centrism.
Extrajudicial killings are definitely not good when you just look at it in a vacuum/without context and noone argues in favor of that. Not on hexbear at least.
That said, looking at things without context is not dialectical aka lib. And the context here being WW2..
Yeah this is what I would say too if I didn't understand history.
Yeah this what I would say too if I only understood one version of history.
Turns out you were serious. Perhaps you should log off the internet and open a history book, friend.
Maybe you should listen to the literal mainstream historical position instead of pop history.