The endless battle to banish the world’s most notorious stalker website - Lemmy.world
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The endless battle to banish the world’s most notorious stalker website::undefined

Ledditors griefing over internet "censorship" and muh freeze peach principles that were apparently violated when effective, direct measures were used to combat fascism.

I don’t think we should ever celebrate people being deplatformed...If the content is illegal pursue legal means to punish the posters...But let’s say they win, and they get the domain blocked everywhere. They’ll just launch a new domain, just like all the pirate streaming sites do.

Are you implying you shouldn't try to do anything because the fascists will (deterministically) win? Hence why the people trying to shut them down went straight to the ISPs because they know they can win the ISPs over on moral grounds?

[...] you have to decide if the internet is a human right or not. If it is, it must be for everyone, or it is for no one. As soon as we make exceptions to basic rights, those rights get eroded for everyone. Because people in power will bend the exceptions to political expediency.

Fascists don't deserve basic rights.

  • radiofreeval [any]
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    10 months ago

    Why do orgs like the EFF and ACLU value moral victory over material victory?

    • Balefirex [he/him]
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      10 months ago

      Capitalist ideology in general, Žižek maintains, consists precisely in the overvaluing of belief – in the sense of inner subjective attitude – at the expense of the beliefs we exhibit and externalize in our behavior. So long as we believe (in our hearts) that capitalism is bad, we are free to continue to participate in capitalist exchange.

      • Capitalist Realism chapter 2
      • PKMKII [none/use name]
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        10 months ago

        I see that a lot with China Man Bad takes, they decry the evil of the CPC, pick one random Chinese corporation they swear off (Tencent is a popular one), and then act like they’ve taken a principled stand while continuing to buy mountains of plastic shit that’s made in China.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      10 months ago

      Because moral victories don't cost as much to the ruling class. stonks-up

    • Maoo [none/use name]
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      10 months ago

      They are part of the non-profit industrial complex. They make money by appealing to hardship and selling gains, not by directly assaulting systems of oppression. If they did, they would be quickly outlawed, perhaps branded a terrorist organization. They also ensure their own power and relevance through integration with that oppressive system and its centers of power. The EFF makes most of its money from "charitable organizations", i.e. rich people's kids' orgs that function as cheap PR due to tax write-offs, i.e. mouthpieces of the bourgeoisie. The ACLU is a libertarian org in bed with all kinds of corporate goons, again via "charitable organizations". It's actually a pretty great example of the limits of reformism and the way that radical movements are coopted into snd subsumed by capital, as it began as something much cooler.