There are LGBTQ movies from China so this makes no sense. One of my favorites is Lan Yu (藍宇) from 2001. Most of the characters are gay men and the plot is even critical of how the army handled the 1989 Tiananmen Square incident.
Did y'all learn about what China is like from Rocky & Bullwinkle cartoons or what
Since this work contained positive depictions of gay men, explicit (by Chinese standards) gay sex scenes, and resurrected the ghost of Tiananmen Square, at the time, no mainland Chinese publisher would have published it, nor would the author be safe from government reprisals. Hence, its anonymous publication on the Internet.
Try fixing that section, which is entirely speculation, and see how quickly it gets reverted and by whom. You'll quickly run into either a power user with reactionary politics that should've been banned ages ago per Wikipedia's own policies or a series of FirstWordLastWord962578 accounts making reversions with no explanation.
The latter is what lazy government behavior looks like. The former is the larger social structures built around the acceptability and empowerments of reactionary thought and narratives that is inherently anticommunist.
But really, go do it. Remove the section as speculation and show/tell us what happens.
The wiki explains that most of the crew from this movie is from mainland China, however it was made by a Hong Kong director and was filmed without permission from the government.
It explicitly states
at the time, no mainland Chinese publisher would have published it, nor would the author be safe from government reprisals. Hence, its anonymous publication on the Internet.
The film did had a brief showing run in December 2001, at Peking University, where interest by Chinese citizens was quite high, selling out the showings.
The Festival originated from Peking University, and is considered to be "the only community-based non-governmental film festival in China with a special focus on gender and sexuality"
Didnt say it was a government event. Said the governemnt would implicitly have had to allowed it to happen, or it wouldn't have. Or at least, thats what people who think the Chinese government is an all powerful oppressive force would say. Which is my point.
ETA: Like the fact that a festival like that exists AT ALL, in the nation's capital, proves that the government isnt an evil opressive anti-queer regime that people paint it as.
The movie was filmed without permission, what makes you think it couldn't have been shown without permission?
Good Chinese folk can find ways around unjust restrictions just like any other country in the world. The first "festival"was held in a library in the University, probably not the type of festival you are imagining.
They didn't get explicit permission, but they also didnt get shut down.
Also, the "filmed without permission" is weird phrasing anyway. Does every indy movie in other countries get explicit permission from the government to be filmed? A Wiki article for, say, an Australian indy movie about queer people that covers Australian oppression of the indigenous wouldn't go out of its way to mention "the government didn't give permission for it to be filmed" because why would it? The government doesn't need to approve such project. Including the "government didnt give permission" feels like editorializing to make things sound more sinister then they are.
They operated for less than a month, could have gone unnoticed?
And no I don't think it's weird phrasing. It's absolutely common practice to get permits to film in public places and historic sites: https://www.thefilmfund.co/how-to-get-film-permits-and-location-releases/
If you're filming on private property your supposed to get they owners permission too.
If a Australian film did some guerilla filming I'm sure that would be mentioned in it's wiki because it can serve to promote the movie.
Edit: try googling "movies made without permission" https://www.dailyhindnews.com/top-10-movie-scenes-shot-without-permission-its-all-illegal/
Americans call the Boston massacre and only 6 people died, just saying that on the level of supposedly horrific state violence that should never be forgotten, so you have any idea how many massacres of the same and larger scale the United States has perpetrated just in the last 30 years?
According to the Chinese Communist Party around 200-300 civilians died, and several thousands were injured. According to most other agencies, the numbers are around 10 times higher, with 1000 to 3000 dead. Either way, it's a very high number of dead.
Or is this not a massacre? By the way, two wrongs don't make a right
I do care about wrongdoings of any country. The issues with police violence, racial discrimination and gun violence in the US are not a secret. You are not the first one talking about that. Everyone in the west talks about that, it's now the first thing most people think of when talking about the US in the west.
That being said, I don't understand why, when anyone even tries to say "China bad" the answer is always "but America is also bad". Why does that make it right?
because we're in a contrived thread that twists over backwards to shit on china, not a thread about the legitimate issues with china. Its frustrating to see, even when I agree that china is pretty bad in a lot of ways, seeing that drumbeat of "enemy state bad" as an army of mindless brainwashed western redditors marches by throwing out half truths and outright lies (its almost never real criticisms, like with north korea its just miles long lists of shit westerners were taught to think like its illegal to not have the kim haircut) it just makes my head pop
Even if I were, which I'm not, you are talking about events that happened 80 years ago and never again since. The USSR did it for far longer (Gulags) and China is still operating concentration camps.
I mean yeah I wish representation were better. Too many regional representatives are boomers stuck in the past. I was in Shenzhen in 2019 though and met a bunch of cool queer folks though.
What? I was just watching a show the other day with a trans hostess on Chinese national TV. Her name is Jin Xing and she's very well known and her show draws 100 million viewers regularly
There are LGBTQ movies from China so this makes no sense. One of my favorites is Lan Yu (藍宇) from 2001. Most of the characters are gay men and the plot is even critical of how the army handled the 1989 Tiananmen Square incident.
Did y'all learn about what China is like from Rocky & Bullwinkle cartoons or what
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lan_Yu_(film)
Ah, such a free and progressive society!
Nothing would ever satisfy you people lmao
so much better than america, where it just wouldn't be made in the first place
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It is not all fake, but your comment is basically true.
It's heavily astroturfed by the US government, so your sarcastic comment was accidentally correct
Try fixing that section, which is entirely speculation, and see how quickly it gets reverted and by whom. You'll quickly run into either a power user with reactionary politics that should've been banned ages ago per Wikipedia's own policies or a series of FirstWordLastWord962578 accounts making reversions with no explanation.
The latter is what lazy government behavior looks like. The former is the larger social structures built around the acceptability and empowerments of reactionary thought and narratives that is inherently anticommunist.
But really, go do it. Remove the section as speculation and show/tell us what happens.
Wikipedia article speculation cited as fact on lemmy dot net.
Western propaganda is a series of clowns honking each other's noses all the way down.
The wiki explains that most of the crew from this movie is from mainland China, however it was made by a Hong Kong director and was filmed without permission from the government.
It explicitly states
The film did had a brief showing run in December 2001, at Peking University, where interest by Chinese citizens was quite high, selling out the showings.
In Beijing
Sounds like the oppressive Chinese government allowed them to show the movie.
From the Beijing film festival wiki
Didnt say it was a government event. Said the governemnt would implicitly have had to allowed it to happen, or it wouldn't have. Or at least, thats what people who think the Chinese government is an all powerful oppressive force would say. Which is my point.
ETA: Like the fact that a festival like that exists AT ALL, in the nation's capital, proves that the government isnt an evil opressive anti-queer regime that people paint it as.
The movie was filmed without permission, what makes you think it couldn't have been shown without permission?
Good Chinese folk can find ways around unjust restrictions just like any other country in the world. The first "festival"was held in a library in the University, probably not the type of festival you are imagining.
They didn't get explicit permission, but they also didnt get shut down.
Also, the "filmed without permission" is weird phrasing anyway. Does every indy movie in other countries get explicit permission from the government to be filmed? A Wiki article for, say, an Australian indy movie about queer people that covers Australian oppression of the indigenous wouldn't go out of its way to mention "the government didn't give permission for it to be filmed" because why would it? The government doesn't need to approve such project. Including the "government didnt give permission" feels like editorializing to make things sound more sinister then they are.
They operated for less than a month, could have gone unnoticed?
And no I don't think it's weird phrasing. It's absolutely common practice to get permits to film in public places and historic sites: https://www.thefilmfund.co/how-to-get-film-permits-and-location-releases/
If you're filming on private property your supposed to get they owners permission too.
If a Australian film did some guerilla filming I'm sure that would be mentioned in it's wiki because it can serve to promote the movie.
Edit: try googling "movies made without permission" https://www.dailyhindnews.com/top-10-movie-scenes-shot-without-permission-its-all-illegal/
Lmao that's an entirely different thing than "you need government permission to make a film with a certain type of subject material."
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Americans call the Boston massacre and only 6 people died, just saying that on the level of supposedly horrific state violence that should never be forgotten, so you have any idea how many massacres of the same and larger scale the United States has perpetrated just in the last 30 years?
According to the Chinese Communist Party around 200-300 civilians died, and several thousands were injured. According to most other agencies, the numbers are around 10 times higher, with 1000 to 3000 dead. Either way, it's a very high number of dead.
Or is this not a massacre? By the way, two wrongs don't make a right
You don’t give a fuck about the wrongdoings of any country but the ones you were told are “enemies”
Cops in the US murder thousands of people every year, bet you don’t even spare a thought for it, is my point
State violence only bad when it’s not my state
*State violence is only bad when my ruling class tells me it is
I do care about wrongdoings of any country. The issues with police violence, racial discrimination and gun violence in the US are not a secret. You are not the first one talking about that. Everyone in the west talks about that, it's now the first thing most people think of when talking about the US in the west.
That being said, I don't understand why, when anyone even tries to say "China bad" the answer is always "but America is also bad". Why does that make it right?
because we're in a contrived thread that twists over backwards to shit on china, not a thread about the legitimate issues with china. Its frustrating to see, even when I agree that china is pretty bad in a lot of ways, seeing that drumbeat of "enemy state bad" as an army of mindless brainwashed western redditors marches by throwing out half truths and outright lies (its almost never real criticisms, like with north korea its just miles long lists of shit westerners were taught to think like its illegal to not have the kim haircut) it just makes my head pop
then critique the one that you live under first ya idiot
Do that every morning. But then I remember that my government is not bombing hospitals or operating concentration camps...
Now, try to criticize China, unless you think it's perfect, in which case, oh boy...
if you're german, imma have to make you take a seat ya toddler. You were the propaganda boy for concentration camps and genocide.
Even if I were, which I'm not, you are talking about events that happened 80 years ago and never again since. The USSR did it for far longer (Gulags) and China is still operating concentration camps.
germany's next party seems to be far-right
and they stand with israel
they seem to be the same Nazis they used to be
Yup, Hitler was famous for his support to Israel. Fucking hell why am I even replying
Israelis are Nazis, and deserve to die like them
... sir you really need to read up on your history oh my fucking god
All the organizers, though, are living cushy rich lives in Taiwan and the USA now
Wonder whose head those deaths are on? It's not like you can legally go around impaling soldiers to buses and stealing apcs and tanks in any country
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/
Yes, I was worried about the square. Thank God most of the massacre happened on the streets around Tienanmen
The point is that the western sequence of events is incorrect on the face of it.
https://tiananmensquare.carrd.co/
"I was lied to about an obvious, easily verifiable fact, but I'm sure the people who lied to me are otherwise being honest"
I mean yeah I wish representation were better. Too many regional representatives are boomers stuck in the past. I was in Shenzhen in 2019 though and met a bunch of cool queer folks though.
What? I was just watching a show the other day with a trans hostess on Chinese national TV. Her name is Jin Xing and she's very well known and her show draws 100 million viewers regularly
I suppose those police officers just set themselves on fire then?