• thilo@lemmy.ml
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    8 months ago

    This is nonsense. MAGA is a fascist movement. Don't let both being neo-liberal blind you.

    • cosecantphi [he/him]
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      8 months ago

      And yet the United States continues to slide into fascism despite having elected Biden. What horrific Trump era policies did the Democrats even bother to repeal after they won in 2020 and held both the senate and the house?

      They are still funding the construction of border wall segments. They never repealed the Republican tax cuts. They have done nothing about the concentration camps on the southern border for fuck's sake. They never codified Roe v. Wade, we literally lost the right to abortions while Biden was in office. They could have stacked the supreme court but they didn't.

      The Democrats and the Republicans form an obfuscated one party system in the US. Republican leadership aggressively ramps up the oppression of marginalized people, then Democratic leadership does nothing to restore our rights nor proactively prevent the same thing from happening again. Instead they just use their time in office to suck all of the energy out of people's movements that could actually effect change.

      And much more importantly than all of that, Republicans and Democrats are virtually identically evil when it comes to foreign policy. When the US is dropping bombs on you and destroying your country, you'll tend not to care whether it was a Red MAGA or Blue MAGA administration pulling the trigger.

      In some specific cases it might be worthwhile to vote for Democrats in local elections where there exists much more leeway for politicians to stray from the party line, but voting for them in national elections is just lending your voice to legitimizing their bullshit good cop/bad cop routine they play with the Republicans.

      • demesisx@infosec.pub
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        8 months ago

        Hear hear!!! My sentiments exactly! Thanks for putting it into words better than I could have.

      • thilo@lemmy.ml
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        8 months ago

        Yes, that is a feature of democratic systems. Parties want to get voted in. So they bend their programs to achieve that goal. I live in Germany and here all parties are leaning further and further to the right, since the AfD (nationalist-conservative, some party members Neo-nazi) party is gaining in almost every poll.

        • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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          8 months ago

          If all that was at play here was mere democracy, we'd have an M4A candidate. The population is solidly to the left of either party on the majority of issues, but they get no voice because liberal democracy is an exercise in choosing between the options that capitalists have picked for you.

            • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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              8 months ago

              This is much less snappy than it is grammatically ambiguous.

                  • thilo@lemmy.ml
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                    8 months ago

                    Your bubble/echo-chamber is solidly to the left of either party on the majority of issues. The bulk of the population is mostly fine with or approving of a right-shift in media policy.

                    • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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                      8 months ago

                      I don't know what you're on about wrt "media policy" but I'm not saying Americans are communists. It's been demonstrated in survey after survey that social-democratic positions are generally the most popular.

                      • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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                        8 months ago

                        Exactly. Literally every poll confirms this. But they aren't interested in facts. They're only into Facts and Logic(tm)

    • demesisx@infosec.pub
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      8 months ago

      Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

      To me, it sounds a whole lot like both Biden AND Trump can be considered fascists….especially with this idea of secret military aid to Israel that I’m reacting to here.

      • OurToothbrush@lemmy.mlM
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        8 months ago

        Looking at it from an economic definition perspective though Biden represents the financial bourgeoisie and Trump represents more industrial bourgeoisie

        • demesisx@infosec.pub
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          8 months ago

          I’d actually argue that Trump comes from the real estate bourgeoisie but I agree on the Biden characterization. Biden never saw an MBNA donor contribution that he didn’t love (like in 2008 when he sold all future generations out for a $250,000 payout from MBNA).

          I just don’t see how real estate wealth translates to industry. In general, many of Trump’s areas don’t fully align with the Republican establishment who, in my observation, generally are from real estate, energy, and industry as you mentioned.

          Thinking about it more, it seems like real estate has a lot of overlap in both parties.

          • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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            8 months ago

            Trump obviously comes from real estate, but his current money-making on a direct level is decidedly media-driven. The question is who gives him money and who benefits from his policy, and I think the answer is that he has a relatively larger amount of support from the petite bourgeois.

            • demesisx@infosec.pub
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              8 months ago

              Yeah that’s true. They found a cash cow in him, though I’d still consider him an outsider (especially after his political capital has been used up).

    • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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      8 months ago

      Neoliberalism is exactly the economic policies of fascism. Just because they have "civility" aesthetics doesn't change that

        • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]
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          8 months ago

          It is a fact that the economic policies of Nazi Germany were mass privatization and public-private partnerships, both of which are the hallmarks of neoliberal policy. Your denial of this is factless. Not that it matters to you, because you don't care about facts. You're just an empty headed smuglord with Facts and Logic(tm) aesthetics