https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/india-votes-in-favour-of-un-resolution-against-israeli-settlements-in-palestine-2461835-2023-11-11

  • culpritus [any]
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    1 year ago

    wow it's actually not the exact same map international-community-1international-community-2

    this seems like a modicum of progress

    • Urist@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      The idea of a consolidated imperial core is in itself flawed and the idea itself is not applicable to all situations. Though definitely a useful point of view sometimes, using it unconditionally will only deny nuance and differences between core countries, which is not always helpful.

      EDIT: Guessing this will probably get downvoted and/or ignored, but if anyone is actually willing to provide or cite some justification/explanation of the map in question, that would be great. Linking the Wikipedia article, whose map differs and has the reasoning of core countries as

      They are usually recognized as wealthy states with a wide variety of resources and are in a favorable location compared to other states.

      containing several points, which in total are inconsistent by leading to a false dichotomy, is not what I ask and not what I think a map of imperial core states should use for classification.

      My reasoning for calling a consolidated core flawed is among other things because it is not taking into consideration the historic development and relationships between core states. Some classify, for example, Scotland as a semi-core due to these reasons.

      • culpritus [any]
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        1 year ago

        https://lemmygrad.ml/c/alwaysthesamemap

        lots of examples of what this map emoji means here

        I particularly like this one of the countries that recognize Palestine, which is the inverse of the 'same map'.

        https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/f8d50ef2-6638-43e2-86e6-d1ece0d35add.png

        • Urist@lemmy.ml
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          1 year ago

          No, this is not an explanation. For something as important as the imperial core, which you claim the map portrays, there needs to be an actual proper definition and reasoning behind it. Having a bunch of loosely corrolated maps is not it. The list of countries that recognize Palestine is also not a proper inverse.

          I am just tired of seeing this map spammed. Once some even ridiculed others for not acknowledgeding it as the de facto definition of imperial core. I think this is especially bad due to having yet to see anyone actually putting any effort into analysis of why it looks like it does. Spewing unsubstantiated ideas is for the incoherent bourgeoisie and fascists.

          • Chapo_is_Red [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            It's a meme (Moreover, the emote is named "international community" not "imperial core").

            Hexbear emotes are not rigorous theoretical statements. E.g.: xi-plz

          • culpritus [any]
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            1 year ago

            No each map is explained on that comm. You assigning it 'imperial core' and asking for an explanation is some JAQing off sealioning imo. Theses maps correlate how interests of countries align around various issues, and the 'same map' comes up a lot because of how these same countries often agree on things in contrast to the the rest of the world. It's not some socio-political theory, it's just the reality of how these countries align into blocs that correlate with maintaining the current US hegemonic status quo.

            The two maps that really 'explained' this concept for me were the map of countries that 'condemn China's treatment of Uyghur Muslims' contrasted with the map of 'countries that recognize Palestine'. It shows how this bloc of countries want to demonize China while supporting the ongoing genocide of Palestine's indigenous peoples. The principles they espouse are unmasked in the light of the truth of this comparison.

            • Urist@lemmy.ml
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              1 year ago

              Saying I am sealioning is an accusation and not an opinion besides also being wrong. Here is one in return: Acting like the map is not usually considered to portray the imperial core is intellectual dishonesty on your part.

              • culpritus [any]
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                1 year ago

                citations-needed

                Whotf talks like this anyway?

                is an accusation and not an opinion besides also being wrong.

                • Urist@lemmy.ml
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                  1 year ago

                  First you accuse me of sealioning and then you hide behind an "imo" like that is just your opinion. There is no such relativistic position on an objective matter. You are wrong to claim so and cowardly for disguising it as an opinion. With this in mind it does not surprise me that you stoop even lower with trying to berate me for my style of writing. Who tf acts like that?

        • Urist@lemmy.ml
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          1 year ago

          Hexbear is also not the only leftist community on Reddit. None of you have still made an attempt to explain the image though, hence why I said and/or ignored.

          • the_kid
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            1 year ago

            Hexbear is also not the only leftist community on Reddit

            yeah, there's lemmygrad too

          • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            Hexbear is also not the only leftist community on Reddit.

            What does that have to do with my reply to you?

            Slapp helt av, vi er (heldigvis) ikke på reddit.

            • Urist@lemmy.ml
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              1 year ago

              When I said ignored and/or downvoted I did not necessarily mean by Hexbear users, cue my comment following yours about you not having downvotes. Even so, what I originally meant with that is that much of my experience in trying to engage on this issue have been marked with, what I deem, unnecessary hostility.

              Had this been on Reddit I would not be engaging in conversation at all above using memes as language.