I'm very chill, I was just pointing out why it seems like we are aggressive.
The removal of downvotes on our end mean people have to actually make the effort to tell you that you are wrong and why, and not just downvote and move on.
Trust me it is a much better system than downvotes, we have had a long time with developing policies to foster productive discussion.
When someone is so aggressively wrong or clearly posting troll bait, then of course they will perceive the pushback as aggressive as well.
I lurk on hexbear often. I don't usually comment because of... Well, this kinda shit, since it is hard to describe.
And I don't need you to explain to me how you think I'm misunderstanding how aggressive you are. I can form my own opinions about how aggressive hexbear user behavior is.
I don't usually comment because of... Well, this kinda shit
Were you gonna comment something like this? *Edit: Because this is what we are responding to, and what you were getting lumped in with in the other thread. Unless this is what you are holding your tongue from saying while you lurk hexbear, then you're gonna be fine, you don't need to be fucking terrified of posting on hexbear if you can be respectful.
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I'm a real person in the year 2023, I'm not some caricature from 1920.
Edit to clarify: Because that is what “this kinda shit” is in response to. If you aren’t about to post something like /u/db0 posted then you aren’t about to get the response that /u/db0 has gotten.
Motherfucker you responded to me. To my comments. You are actively doing this kind of shit right now without me saying any of that. If you wanna complain about the meme go do it to someone who agrees with it.
I didn't mean to come off that aggressive. But in my own defense, you already told me, earlier in this exact comment chain, that you disagreed with the meme, so I figured it was obvious I was not accusing you of agreeing with it. That was my whole point: you shouldn't equate hexbear venom in the comments under that meme with our normal, unprovoked behavior or act like you might get the same venom for whatever innocuous shit you would say. That's still demonizing us.
I expanded both threads and ctrl-f'd your name, after you stressed the point. Everyone was civil with you. Maybe one person was a little stern. My comment with the image wasn't even there yet when you gestured vaguely at hexbear and said "Well... this kinda shit." What shit? The obvious interpretation was that you were referring to the very conspicuous hexbear dogpile against /u/db0's meme and not to some lukewarm responses you got offscreen buried in the comments.
I was drafting a conciliatory response when I saw this comment. I still apologize for how my earlier comment came off. I was not saying that meme represented your feelings. I was emphasizing that it didn't, and pointing out how inflammatory something has to be for hexbear to come down on it this hard.
You are acting condescending right now, assuming I can't possibly have valid opinions about hexbear based on anything else I might have seen. You've decided my entire opinion has to be based on this and the previous thread, I guess because I used a vague phrase instead of detailing all the ways different individual hexbear users can be condescending and not worth getting invloved talking to. I very much regret getting involved in this part of the conversation too, but that is another thing hexbear users often do, make wild accusations about people that want to disengage to bait them back in to defend themselves.
I'm also not required to only judge based on how people treat me directly! Seeing how people treat other people is indicative.
I'm certain I said something wrong by mistake in this that you can dig into and write a whole essay about how it makes me the worst lib in the world but
I'm only gunna bother with one more comment here, @GarbageShoot@hexbear.net and @Nakoichi@hexbear.net sorry you don't get responses, I'm fuckin tired and done with people. Anyone who comments at me about this shit after this comment I'm just going to ignore and block.
on further thought, I'll just add that I think we're both defending ourselves and then taking each others' defenses as attacks to defend against, and it's a vicious cycle.
I still feel hurt over db0's two posts tbh. It's not even the meme, it's the witch-hunt feeling of that meme being broadcast across all of lemmy to a receptive audience we cannot talk to.
I'm sorry I stressed you out and put you on the defensive. I actually felt the same way. I don't think either of us intended it. From one communist to another, I hope there are no lasting hard feelings.
it's the witch-hunt feeling of that meme being broadcast across all of lemmy to a receptive audience we cannot talk to.
This I feel is why many of us jumped on the original meme in the first place.
We are so close to being vulnerable to a new wave of McCarthyism and not just the "tankies". It is already starting with people getting fired or prosecuted for supporting Palestine.
This shit is fucking dangerous and the people engaging in it don't understand the stakes.
our only defense is not getting divided, which is why this stuff scares me, seeing how easy it is.
I'm optimistic though, I think the red scare stuff is harder in real life, when people are in a real situation with other real people instead of alone at a screen.
I guess federation in this case means blocks don't do much, still allowing you to reply and such. I would never have seen this after your "ok." If I didn't get curious to check how it worked.
I'm glad you sorta realized I'm not trying to antagonize anyone. I want leftist cooperation - I think the original meme was bad and unproductive, partially because that kind of thing can generate even further unproductive infighting, and then hexbear proved that correct. This is an "everybody loses" situation IMO and getting caught up in it in a way I had to try and defend myself was extremely unpleasant and unintended.
I also apologise for any excessive rude behavior on my part. I am not great, especially when upset, at being polite, or being coherent in general.
Idk if you are just messing with me now but I'll say it again: I didn't like that meme either. Don't fucking try to "gotcha" me with it or its points again because I don't fucking agree with it
I don't comment on hexbear because I don't want to be talked down to and disrespected for no reason. Many users are extremely condescending and rude.
"this kinda shit" is in reference to these comments you and other hexbear users are making right now.
That is another thing that seems to happen on hexbear often. Wild misinterpretations of what people are trying to say, and regrettable arguments based entirely on misunderstandings.
Maybe ask for clarification before you embarrass yourself.
Maybe ask for clarification before you embarrass yourself.
Did you not read that fucking thread? He won't explain anything! I still have no idea who the Chinese "intellectuals" he is crying for are unless he means literal rightists.
I'm very chill, I was just pointing out why it seems like we are aggressive.
I mean i am on hb since the start and criticism of anything ml was always met with aggression, not only if it was inflammatory. That1s why joeysteel was banned for starters.
I'm very chill, I was just pointing out why it seems like we are aggressive.
The removal of downvotes on our end mean people have to actually make the effort to tell you that you are wrong and why, and not just downvote and move on.
Trust me it is a much better system than downvotes, we have had a long time with developing policies to foster productive discussion.
When someone is so aggressively wrong or clearly posting troll bait, then of course they will perceive the pushback as aggressive as well.
Yes I know about the downvote situation.
I lurk on hexbear often. I don't usually comment because of... Well, this kinda shit, since it is hard to describe.
And I don't need you to explain to me how you think I'm misunderstanding how aggressive you are. I can form my own opinions about how aggressive hexbear user behavior is.
Were you gonna comment something like this? *Edit: Because this is what we are responding to, and what you were getting lumped in with in the other thread. Unless this is what you are holding your tongue from saying while you lurk hexbear, then you're gonna be fine, you don't need to be fucking terrified of posting on hexbear if you can be respectful.
I'm a real person in the year 2023, I'm not some caricature from 1920.
Motherfucker you responded to me. To my comments. You are actively doing this kind of shit right now without me saying any of that. If you wanna complain about the meme go do it to someone who agrees with it.
I didn't mean to come off that aggressive. But in my own defense, you already told me, earlier in this exact comment chain, that you disagreed with the meme, so I figured it was obvious I was not accusing you of agreeing with it. That was my whole point: you shouldn't equate hexbear venom in the comments under that meme with our normal, unprovoked behavior or act like you might get the same venom for whatever innocuous shit you would say. That's still demonizing us.
I expanded both threads and ctrl-f'd your name, after you stressed the point. Everyone was civil with you. Maybe one person was a little stern. My comment with the image wasn't even there yet when you gestured vaguely at hexbear and said "Well... this kinda shit." What shit? The obvious interpretation was that you were referring to the very conspicuous hexbear dogpile against /u/db0's meme and not to some lukewarm responses you got offscreen buried in the comments.
I was drafting a conciliatory response when I saw this comment. I still apologize for how my earlier comment came off. I was not saying that meme represented your feelings. I was emphasizing that it didn't, and pointing out how inflammatory something has to be for hexbear to come down on it this hard.
You are acting condescending right now, assuming I can't possibly have valid opinions about hexbear based on anything else I might have seen. You've decided my entire opinion has to be based on this and the previous thread, I guess because I used a vague phrase instead of detailing all the ways different individual hexbear users can be condescending and not worth getting invloved talking to. I very much regret getting involved in this part of the conversation too, but that is another thing hexbear users often do, make wild accusations about people that want to disengage to bait them back in to defend themselves.
I'm also not required to only judge based on how people treat me directly! Seeing how people treat other people is indicative.
I'm certain I said something wrong by mistake in this that you can dig into and write a whole essay about how it makes me the worst lib in the world but
I'm only gunna bother with one more comment here, @GarbageShoot@hexbear.net and @Nakoichi@hexbear.net sorry you don't get responses, I'm fuckin tired and done with people. Anyone who comments at me about this shit after this comment I'm just going to ignore and block.
on further thought, I'll just add that I think we're both defending ourselves and then taking each others' defenses as attacks to defend against, and it's a vicious cycle.
I still feel hurt over db0's two posts tbh. It's not even the meme, it's the witch-hunt feeling of that meme being broadcast across all of lemmy to a receptive audience we cannot talk to.
I'm sorry I stressed you out and put you on the defensive. I actually felt the same way. I don't think either of us intended it. From one communist to another, I hope there are no lasting hard feelings.
This I feel is why many of us jumped on the original meme in the first place.
We are so close to being vulnerable to a new wave of McCarthyism and not just the "tankies". It is already starting with people getting fired or prosecuted for supporting Palestine.
This shit is fucking dangerous and the people engaging in it don't understand the stakes.
our only defense is not getting divided, which is why this stuff scares me, seeing how easy it is.
I'm optimistic though, I think the red scare stuff is harder in real life, when people are in a real situation with other real people instead of alone at a screen.
Oh yeah this is mostly terminally online bullshit (for now) but it's still dangerous.
Or they do
I guess federation in this case means blocks don't do much, still allowing you to reply and such. I would never have seen this after your "ok." If I didn't get curious to check how it worked.
I'm glad you sorta realized I'm not trying to antagonize anyone. I want leftist cooperation - I think the original meme was bad and unproductive, partially because that kind of thing can generate even further unproductive infighting, and then hexbear proved that correct. This is an "everybody loses" situation IMO and getting caught up in it in a way I had to try and defend myself was extremely unpleasant and unintended.
I also apologise for any excessive rude behavior on my part. I am not great, especially when upset, at being polite, or being coherent in general.
ok.
Wtf? No?
Idk if you are just messing with me now but I'll say it again: I didn't like that meme either. Don't fucking try to "gotcha" me with it or its points again because I don't fucking agree with it
I don't comment on hexbear because I don't want to be talked down to and disrespected for no reason. Many users are extremely condescending and rude.
You said "...Well, this kinda shit" and I pointed out what "this kinda shit" was in response to
"this kinda shit" is in reference to these comments you and other hexbear users are making right now.
That is another thing that seems to happen on hexbear often. Wild misinterpretations of what people are trying to say, and regrettable arguments based entirely on misunderstandings.
Maybe ask for clarification before you embarrass yourself.
Comments like defending ourselves against misinformation? Or is it because of the amount of comments?
Did you not read that fucking thread? He won't explain anything! I still have no idea who the Chinese "intellectuals" he is crying for are unless he means literal rightists.
I mean i am on hb since the start and criticism of anything ml was always met with aggression, not only if it was inflammatory. That1s why joeysteel was banned for starters.
Yeah, he was banned for being too aggressive you fucking nitwit, i.e. violating community norms
Irony is dead
There are different levels of hostility and this isn't that community