- cross-posted to:
- worldnews@lemmy.ml
- cross-posted to:
- worldnews@lemmy.ml
This fucking sucks, the Great Satan needs to be forced to embrace the Great Seitan 
(so does the rest of the first world but Great Satan/Seitan was funnier)
This fucking sucks, the Great Satan needs to be forced to embrace the Great Seitan
(so does the rest of the first world but Great Satan/Seitan was funnier)
The part I've just never understood is why that is a necessary position to hold for a 'leftist' political project to be not derided as incoherent/inconsistent, given by the fact that many/a majority of leftist political projects both contain non-vegan comrades that contribute/have contributed greatly to building left politics and of which those projects have not/ are not making veganism a large priority in their political project.
Do vegans here and in other leftist places claim that the lack of their sufficient account for these two components is a factor contributing to why they have failed? Furthermore, do they believe that if current AES projects were to make veganism a priority, that this would weaken the influence of bourgeois thought and strengthen the revolutions occurring there? If so, that's fine by me for vegans to hold that position, I just don't really see then what distinguishes that from the same kinds of arguments that Ultra's and Maoist's make about past/current socialist projects and why it's just veganism that can't be derided for doing it.
There will have to be a lot of changing hearts & minds before this would strengthen the revolution instead of alienating people. Remember the party must not run too far ahead of the masses. However, the arguments are simply too strong for anybody seriously engaged in shaping the ideology of the party to ignore. There have been plenty of successful-ish leftist revolutions that had (from our modern perspective) glaring gaps in their attitude toward certain oppressed classes of people, whether from failure of party leadership or desire not to alienate the masses. I believe animal liberation is another of these instances.
Anyway, most leftist spaces I've inhabited are very tolerant of at least vegetarianism, and all potluck-style events will be heavily skewed toward vegetarian-friendly dishes (this also serves halal & kosher people by default). Vegetarians & vegans are very well represented in these spaces, often reaching 25-50% by informal count (groups of anarchist bent are often much higher). So things are heading in the right direction.
previous revolutions also held that queer people were acceptable targets.