Israel isn't a real state, it's a neoimperialist attack dog that occasionally forgets its leash. It's theft and murder incarnate. If you really consider historical context to be important and still hold to a two-state solution as the ideal outcome, then I'm sorry, you're lacking a great deal of historical context and haven't the right to invoke it here.
Unfortunately the stain of religion has caused the fruition of needless casualties throughout the centuries. As the world becomes more atheistic over time due to the nature of scientic discovery, my hopes for change grow.
Broadly speaking, religion is not diminished by scientific discovery, it is diminished by people's material needs being met and their prospects looking good. Our friend Marx called that one a long time ago, but modern studies on secularization say the same thing.
But Israel/Palestine is not about religion except as a smokescreen. It is about race, specifically an overwhelmingly white population of settler colonists creating and expanding an ethnostate. The aggrievement of the Palestinians is not that Jews exist, but that their homes were taken and their family members and friends were butchered like animals.
What they are correctly suggesting is that your thesis is ignoring Israel's context as a settler-colony authored by Britain to enable what amounted to the mass-expulsion of Holocaust refugees from Europe to run an ethnostate in the Middle East that would act as an instrument for its interests.
The idea of religious conflict being the main element is completely absurd. A truly Jewish state would not forcibly sterilize Ethiopian Jews
I never claimed Britans handling of the relocation of Jewish people was perfect, many things could've been handled differently, however the conflict around Jerusalem is much older than you suggest and riddled with religious interests. Religion should not guide modern policy. At most religion should act as, "an opiate of the masses."
That conflict is a fiction invented by zionists that has only the most tenuous analogy to anything in actual history. The small number of Jewish Palestinians who were used as part of the smokescreen are out of the picture at this point, as Israel is overwhelmingly and aggressively white and has no interest is helping either Jewish or Muslim Arabs. The modern state of Israel is not based on those conflicts, there is no causal continuity, that is just a lie you have been fed. It's a white colony that is as connected to that inter-Palestinian conflict as the Nazis were connected to the Arabs of Ancient India, it's just something some racial supremacists conjured up for their fascist mythology.
Incidentally, get Marx's words out of your mouth if you won't bother to ever actually read him
"They (Jews) were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money they formed secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there." - Hamas Covenant 1988
Sounds pretty darn racist to me. The same beliefs are echoed today by neo-nazis.
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory)." - Hamas Covenant 1988
"Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts. It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic world, until the enemy is vanquished and Allah's victory is realised." - Hamas Covenant 1988
Alright, I mean this in the kindest way possible, you have no idea what you're talking about. I don't have the time required nor the desire to rectify that, so I'll simply say that you've spent a regrettable amount of time here embarrassing yourself in front of people who know substantially more about history and politics than you do. Trying to debate communists on those subjects at all is generally a bad idea, but to do so armed only with natsec PR and mystery statistics is something else.
I mean personally I support communism, but I have yet to see it implemented without authoritarian influence. The Native Americans have a pretty decent communal system, which the US should learn from.
I mean personally I support communism, but I have yet to see it implemented without authoritarian influence
Pretty rich coming from someone on the side of
Also you do realize why socialists and communists become "authoritarian" right? It's at least partly to do with people like you who would have snitched to the Apartheid government and even attempted to kill them.
Israel isn't a real state, it's a neoimperialist attack dog that occasionally forgets its leash. It's theft and murder incarnate. If you really consider historical context to be important and still hold to a two-state solution as the ideal outcome, then I'm sorry, you're lacking a great deal of historical context and haven't the right to invoke it here.
Unfortunately the stain of religion has caused the fruition of needless casualties throughout the centuries. As the world becomes more atheistic over time due to the nature of scientic discovery, my hopes for change grow.
Broadly speaking, religion is not diminished by scientific discovery, it is diminished by people's material needs being met and their prospects looking good. Our friend Marx called that one a long time ago, but modern studies on secularization say the same thing.
But Israel/Palestine is not about religion except as a smokescreen. It is about race, specifically an overwhelmingly white population of settler colonists creating and expanding an ethnostate. The aggrievement of the Palestinians is not that Jews exist, but that their homes were taken and their family members and friends were butchered like animals.
It is most definitely rooted in religious conflict and it'd be naive to think otherwise.
No, its rooted in Western colonialism, and it's cope to think otherwise.
I've never said western colonialism hasn't had it's negative impacts, but this is grossly minimalizing historical context.
Other way around.
Care to elaborate? Your non-point responses are not encouraged in thoughtful debate, but youre welcome to do as you please.
What they are correctly suggesting is that your thesis is ignoring Israel's context as a settler-colony authored by Britain to enable what amounted to the mass-expulsion of Holocaust refugees from Europe to run an ethnostate in the Middle East that would act as an instrument for its interests.
The idea of religious conflict being the main element is completely absurd. A truly Jewish state would not forcibly sterilize Ethiopian Jews
I never claimed Britans handling of the relocation of Jewish people was perfect, many things could've been handled differently, however the conflict around Jerusalem is much older than you suggest and riddled with religious interests. Religion should not guide modern policy. At most religion should act as, "an opiate of the masses."
That conflict is a fiction invented by zionists that has only the most tenuous analogy to anything in actual history. The small number of Jewish Palestinians who were used as part of the smokescreen are out of the picture at this point, as Israel is overwhelmingly and aggressively white and has no interest is helping either Jewish or Muslim Arabs. The modern state of Israel is not based on those conflicts, there is no causal continuity, that is just a lie you have been fed. It's a white colony that is as connected to that inter-Palestinian conflict as the Nazis were connected to the Arabs of Ancient India, it's just something some racial supremacists conjured up for their fascist mythology.
Incidentally, get Marx's words out of your mouth if you won't bother to ever actually read him
"They (Jews) were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money they formed secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there." - Hamas Covenant 1988
Sounds pretty darn racist to me. The same beliefs are echoed today by neo-nazis.
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory)." - Hamas Covenant 1988
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
This is most certainly rooted in religious beliefs.
Jihad is what you do against colonizers, turns out
And the definition of Jihad is? Ding ding, you just landed on religious conflict, congratulations 👏
"Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts. It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic world, until the enemy is vanquished and Allah's victory is realised." - Hamas Covenant 1988
The conflict predates Hamas by a few decades
A few millennium actually, however Hamas is the current acting government of Gaza, thus the cause for concern.
kill yourself nazi fuck
You get what you give
Exactly, like yin and yang, we must maintain mindfulness and thoughtful observation of the world around us. It promotes a better world!
Alright, I mean this in the kindest way possible, you have no idea what you're talking about. I don't have the time required nor the desire to rectify that, so I'll simply say that you've spent a regrettable amount of time here embarrassing yourself in front of people who know substantially more about history and politics than you do. Trying to debate communists on those subjects at all is generally a bad idea, but to do so armed only with natsec PR and mystery statistics is something else.
I mean personally I support communism, but I have yet to see it implemented without authoritarian influence. The Native Americans have a pretty decent communal system, which the US should learn from.
Pretty rich coming from someone on the side of
Also you do realize why socialists and communists become "authoritarian" right? It's at least partly to do with people like you who would have snitched to the Apartheid government and even attempted to kill them.