Soup for brains, your claim was not merely that there are complexities to the issue of violent reprisals towards a cultural institution, but that it was genocide. The answer to that is that it fucking isn't.
I don't really care if you disagree with the modern definition of genocide as established in international law and plenty of examples of national law. That's your prerogative. As is whether you agree or disagree with the persecution itself. The contents of your head aren't my concern.
It does meet the definition of genocide though.
Does the UN & ICC definition of genocide state that "Genocide means any... acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such killing members of the group"?
Were the members of the clergy killed by people in the Spanish Republic targeting a religious group with the intent of destroying it?
Were FAI defence committees operating ghost cars that targeted clergy for assassination using blacklists?
No it doesn't, you're just wrong. People were not targeted for being catholic, but for being part of an institution that was feeding kill lists to fascists and had participated in the systematic repression of people for centuries. No one but you considers this a genocide. I am not arguing with the UN, international law, or scholars, I'm arguing with one person who has soup for brains.
People were not targeted for being catholic, but for being part of an institution
People weren't being targeted for being catholic, they were being targeted for being catholic religious leaders. Okay?
I guess it must have felt really important for you to make that distinction.
I am not arguing with the UN, international law, or scholars, I'm arguing with one person who has soup for brains.
I said that it meets the definition of genocide. I have provided the definition of genocide that I'm referring to.
You can't tell the difference between a statement of fact and a statement of opinion. I literally said "skirting around the editorial commentary, this meets the formal definition of genocide" to say that I'm not engaging in statements of opinion on this.
The point was obviously lost on you there.
If I said "The execution of the Romanov family by the Bolsheviks meets the formal definition of regicide" do you think I'm saying "I personally condemn the act of executing the Tsar" or do you think I'm saying "This act met the criteria for regicide"?
I'm arguing with one person who has soup for brains.
You're shadow-boxing and you've convinced yourself that you're actually engaging in argumentation.
I guess it must have felt really important for you to make that distinction.
it is in fact very important to make the distinction between the crime of genocide and revolutionary violence targeting an institution that is itself engaged in genocide, yes. That's important. I don't know why this is confusing to you.
The majority of the people involved in revolutionary violence against the fascists were themselves of the same population group as the targeted priests, sharing the same ethnic and religious background.
If I said "The execution of the Romanov family by the Bolsheviks meets the formal definition of regicide" do you think I'm saying "I personally condemn the act of executing the Tsar" or do you think I'm saying "This act met the criteria for regicide"?
Again, this does not meet the definition of genocide. It is not genocide. No one but you thinks this is genocide. The fascists have not made that case, the catholic church have not made that case, historians don't make this case, the UN doesn't make this case, the ICC doesn't make this case, no one but you. You are sitting on an argument so fucking stupid that you are possibly the only person who has ever made it, and declaring how actually if you call this argument dumb you're arguing with consensus reality.
You're shadow-boxing and you've convinced yourself that you're actually engaging in argumentation.
You're an idiot and trying to flip the script on who the idiot here won't save you from being a fucking moron.
it is in fact very important to make the distinction between the crime of genocide and revolutionary violence targeting an institution that is itself engaged in genocide, yes.
Where have I said that "targeting an institution is genocide"?
The Catholic church was suppressed through legal and extralegal means. In many cases churches and religious orders were liquidated. Nowhere did I mention these things as being part of genocide.
The majority of the people involved in revolutionary violence against the fascists were themselves of the same population group as the targeted priests, sharing the same ethnic and religious background.
Hutu militias targeted Hutu moderates during the Rwandan genocide.
Sharing an "ethnic and religious background" isn't some escape clause for genocide. Most of the people on this site have a "Christian background", however the fuck you're actually going to define that tortured phrasing, but that doesn't mean that they are Christians.
If I said "The execution of the Romanov family by the Bolsheviks meets the formal definition of regicide" do you think I'm saying "I personally condemn the act of executing the Tsar" or do you think I'm saying "This act met the criteria for regicide"?
Again, this does not meet the definition of genocide. It is not genocide.
Regicide is different to genocide but go off.
No one but you thinks this is genocide.
Like I said, it meets the definition of genocide. Why are you still confused between statements of fact and statements of opinion?
I can tell you what beliefs are heretical to the Catholic church. I can literally tell you whether something you believe would meet the definition of heresy to a Catholic. That does not mean that therefore I think that your beliefs are heretical or that you are a heretic.
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Up until recently in law it was legal in most countries to have unconsensual sex with your wife.
If someone asked me "Do you think that in America, a husband forcing his wife to have sex in 1953 met the definition of rape?" I would say no.
If you asked me if I believe it was rape, I would say yes.
Yelling out loud meets the definition of ejaculation. I don't think that people exclaiming things is ejaculation.
Are you so incapable of grasping the distinction between statements of fact and statements of opinion or are you just unable to hold two separate positions on a topic as being true in your mind?
You are sitting on an argument so fucking stupid that you are possibly the only person who has ever made it, and declaring how actually if you call this argument dumb you're arguing with consensus reality.
Yep. I sure did say this and I sure did claim that the consensus reality is that it was genocide. Good point, shadow-boxer!
Soup for brains, your claim was not merely that there are complexities to the issue of violent reprisals towards a cultural institution, but that it was genocide. The answer to that is that it fucking isn't.
I don't really care if you disagree with the modern definition of genocide as established in international law and plenty of examples of national law. That's your prerogative. As is whether you agree or disagree with the persecution itself. The contents of your head aren't my concern.
It does meet the definition of genocide though.
Does the UN & ICC definition of genocide state that "Genocide means any... acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such killing members of the group"?
Were the members of the clergy killed by people in the Spanish Republic targeting a religious group with the intent of destroying it?
Were FAI defence committees operating ghost cars that targeted clergy for assassination using blacklists?
No it doesn't, you're just wrong. People were not targeted for being catholic, but for being part of an institution that was feeding kill lists to fascists and had participated in the systematic repression of people for centuries. No one but you considers this a genocide. I am not arguing with the UN, international law, or scholars, I'm arguing with one person who has soup for brains.
People weren't being targeted for being catholic, they were being targeted for being catholic religious leaders. Okay?
I guess it must have felt really important for you to make that distinction.
I said that it meets the definition of genocide. I have provided the definition of genocide that I'm referring to.
You can't tell the difference between a statement of fact and a statement of opinion. I literally said "skirting around the editorial commentary, this meets the formal definition of genocide" to say that I'm not engaging in statements of opinion on this.
The point was obviously lost on you there.
If I said "The execution of the Romanov family by the Bolsheviks meets the formal definition of regicide" do you think I'm saying "I personally condemn the act of executing the Tsar" or do you think I'm saying "This act met the criteria for regicide"?
You're shadow-boxing and you've convinced yourself that you're actually engaging in argumentation.
it is in fact very important to make the distinction between the crime of genocide and revolutionary violence targeting an institution that is itself engaged in genocide, yes. That's important. I don't know why this is confusing to you. The majority of the people involved in revolutionary violence against the fascists were themselves of the same population group as the targeted priests, sharing the same ethnic and religious background.
Again, this does not meet the definition of genocide. It is not genocide. No one but you thinks this is genocide. The fascists have not made that case, the catholic church have not made that case, historians don't make this case, the UN doesn't make this case, the ICC doesn't make this case, no one but you. You are sitting on an argument so fucking stupid that you are possibly the only person who has ever made it, and declaring how actually if you call this argument dumb you're arguing with consensus reality.
You're an idiot and trying to flip the script on who the idiot here won't save you from being a fucking moron.
Where have I said that "targeting an institution is genocide"?
The Catholic church was suppressed through legal and extralegal means. In many cases churches and religious orders were liquidated. Nowhere did I mention these things as being part of genocide.
Hutu militias targeted Hutu moderates during the Rwandan genocide.
Sharing an "ethnic and religious background" isn't some escape clause for genocide. Most of the people on this site have a "Christian background", however the fuck you're actually going to define that tortured phrasing, but that doesn't mean that they are Christians.
Regicide is different to genocide but go off.
Like I said, it meets the definition of genocide. Why are you still confused between statements of fact and statements of opinion?
I can tell you what beliefs are heretical to the Catholic church. I can literally tell you whether something you believe would meet the definition of heresy to a Catholic. That does not mean that therefore I think that your beliefs are heretical or that you are a heretic.
[CW: SA]
Up until recently in law it was legal in most countries to have unconsensual sex with your wife.
If someone asked me "Do you think that in America, a husband forcing his wife to have sex in 1953 met the definition of rape?" I would say no.
If you asked me if I believe it was rape, I would say yes.
Yelling out loud meets the definition of ejaculation. I don't think that people exclaiming things is ejaculation.
Are you so incapable of grasping the distinction between statements of fact and statements of opinion or are you just unable to hold two separate positions on a topic as being true in your mind?
Yep. I sure did say this and I sure did claim that the consensus reality is that it was genocide. Good point, shadow-boxer!