Due to a power issue, it looks like the lander may now no longer have sufficient fuel to make a controlled landing on the moon. This was the lander that was set to carry human remains to the moon despite objections from the Navajo nation. Hopefully, this discourages any future attempts at such a stunt, since instead of a permanent mausoleum your ashes may instead be stranded in orbit or scattered amongst the moon dust if the thing crashes.
wait so it would be morally wrong to get my ashes railgunned onto the moon? Because that's the coolest way I can think of for my corpse to be disposed of
What's the point of being buried or spreading your ashes in a place that your loved ones can't visit? Even if you have your ashes cast into the ocean they revisit said shore.
What's the point of any death ritual?
They're for the benefit of the living, a method to process grief and pain.
I think HST benefitted while living from the knowledge he would be shot out of a cannon. Some religious people can derive comfort from having a ready plot in hallowed ground.
So I guess still for the living, but that can include the living person to be disposed of somehow
yeah, this is why people choose their method of burial rather than us just choosing randomly after they die every time
Unless you're too poor to afford that
Which i think we can all agree is fucked, right? People should be able to choose how their corpse is disposed of, as a right
Bold of you to dictate how people are allowed to think about death
I don't think the dead are getting much out of it.
they are actually, up until they die
That doesn't mean we should be uncritical of such rituals, as though coping mechanisms themselves are fully unassailable. Whatever pathology results in someone thinking being smeared on the face of the moon is the best option can be soothed much more cheaply by means that don't involve actually smearing them on the face of the moon, such as therapy.
I don’t feel comfortable responding, I feel like I’ll say more bad things
This is some really low teir
They can visit it by looking up any time
Eventually, everyone will forget me. The knowledge that I'm going to have an awesome death ritual is more important to me than a legacy that will die anyways- Though, of course, I do care about my future loved one's happiness, too
1.) I predicted this response. It's corny as fuck.
2.) Regardless, not a worthwhile use of money. If you have that much money, then it should be taken away from you as opposed to it being used levying the intense energy needed to move mass over such a great distance for a frankly trivial vanity.
??? OK wtf kind of
is this. this isn't a fighting game where predicting what i'll say will let you counter it like some sort of Super Smash Bros character?
im not defending the yeeting of a rich fuck's corpse at the moon for it to stay preserved in a creepy-as-fuck mausoleum for eternity, just talking about theoretical space ash scattering, which yeah would probably be unsustainable over an extended period (which is why we should shoot people into the sun instead)
I didn't want to acknowledge it before you brought it up since I thought it was such a silly thing to say, and honestly didn't think you would continue the hypothetical in that direction.
my point is that, while i can understand the moon as an important religious site for indigenous people and that should be respected, that should be the reason we don't do stuff like do corpse disposal on it, NOT because it's "useless" or "pointless" (which ultimately could be extended to be said of pretty much ANYTHING we do for our own personal satisfaction now which ends up meaning nothing later on)
That's fair, although I do think that it's immoral to be wasteful when the known costs of an endeavor so greatly outstrips the realizable utility.
I think it isn’t really possible to measure usefulness vs cost in a solid objective way, so it’s probably best to just say it’s wasteful until we achieve global communism, at which point we’ll make the sun cannon a globally available utility
In the liberal economy we have, we can compare the cost of such an endeavor to the cost of other endeavors -- building hospitals or whatever -- and then consider the respective likely outcomes and ask "Which is preferable?" Wasting money on some stupid vanity project that defaces the last clean surface people get to see is made all the more egregious by the ravages of poverty that we can see down on Earth, and pontificating about "what is the point of anything, rlly?" is just a crass deflection from that fact.
Yeah and I’m not justifying the weirdo rich man sending rocket debris into space
I wasn’t trying to deflect from anything, what the rich person is doing is dumb. They’re instating an actual physical claim on the planet which is idiotic in every way.
GOOD strugle session
I’m so confused, I thought everyone was pretty much on board with the idea that space burials were cool, just not like, worth violating indigenous beliefs over cool. I guess because i think having my ashes being in space would be cool I should… Kill myself? Stuff like this makes me worried I’m a legitimately bad person. I don’t know if I just stumbled into a liberal ideology pit or people think I have a different take than I do and whenever this happens it’s insanely stressful. I really don’t want to deface anything important to people, and I agree that the moon should be everyone’s and not able to be claimed by rich assholes. I DO think having my ashes be buried on the moon would be cool but that’s obviously not possible to do without hurting actual people or setting a bad precedent. I understand that and I have been educated there. I have obviously been a massive liberal and still are.
Edit: oh
In Das Kapital they have a whole chapter about how space burials are the 13th form of liberalism. /s
You're not a bad person for thinking space burials are cool lmao. Personally I think putting anything on the moon that's not strictly necessary should be held off. Maybe in the future when there's cities on the moon it won't mattet if you spread some ashes, but I think keeping it pristine is good for now.
Firing ashes off into the sun sounds dope tho. like I don't think there's anything wrong with it other than it possibly being wasteful. but hey since we're fantasy land maybe in the future space cannons are cheaper than ubers.
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What? I’m not even defending the rich dude. Get off my ass
Edit: I guess I’ll go… Kill my self? I don’t know what even happened but I don’t feel comfortable in my own skin anymore, I’m scared, I really don’t want to disrespect anyone, especially indigenous peoples. I would rather die and have my remains dumped in a porta potty than live knowing I hurt people like that.
Edit 2: oh