Inspired by recent discussions, I think Hexbear has a lot of good information about socialism but I wonder if the relentless defense of AES on Hexbear means shooting ourselves in the foot, since many potential leftists have been thoroughly primed to react negatively to AES states?

We’re not getting our messages out when progressive instances have already pre-emptively blocked us and calling us “tankies”.

People are being turned away without even taking the opportunity to read some of the stuff here, because they already have a pre-conceived notion about Hexbear being filled with “crazy tankies who defend totalitarianism”.

I know there have been a lot of propaganda and fabrication being perpetuated about socialist countries, and it feels “right” to defend them against these false accusations, but I wonder if this is doing more harm than good for the present day nascent socialist movement, at least in the Western countries?

We can remain on the current course and feel indignant about the tankie accusations, but will forever remain as a niche “tankie” community.

Or, we can open ourselves up, by toning down the admiration for the socialist states so we are not being treated as hostile by the other instances, and thus opening up the opportunities to have productive interactions with users (and potential leftists) from other instances?

(I do have my own position, you probably know which one it is, but I’m willing to hear from others and reevaluate my own opinions if needed).

EDIT: Thanks to everyone who responded. All points are well taken. Thank you.

  • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
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    "Starving" is a weird verb to pick here. Sure wonder why the guy that Definitely Doesn't Have Ahistorical Criticisms of Stalin would use that

    You're the one that brought it up as "regrettable". The subject didn't even cross my mind until you acknowledged it as an actual bad outcome.

    "Will each of these people immediately take up arms against us in the likely event of Germans kicking in the door and enabling slaughter like German occupied Poland is already seeing?"

    Of the 400 who were to be shot by this metric who were eventually spared, how many of them actually did take up arms against the Soviets? They serve as a nice, though albeit imperfect control group over how valid this methodology actually was.