You're almost there. The problem is not that power corrupts, by this logic there's nothing you can do and every country is doomed. The issue is not individual, but collective.
The problem is that the whole structure of the system is made for the interests of the wealthy that detain all the power and not for the hard working majority of people. Lobbying is the perfect example of that.
And it's not about good or bad, but simply colliding antagonic class interests where the class that holds the power always wins.
It's easy to get doomerish and think that people or power is the problem, that's precisely the position the ruling class wants you to take because it keeps then safe and keeps us under their capitalistic boots.
I invite you to read Marx. Once you understand the systemic root cause of the issues we see everyday, it's truly freeing. I suggest the Communist Manifesto since it is really short and can get you the general grasp, just be aware that it's language is very dated.
Unless there is someone to patiently walk them through it, they will not understand Marx trying to read it themselves. It's pretty clear from their lazy reading, sloppy replies and fall back on cliches they are either taking the piss or mildly literate at best.
No progress will be made from self-education on this one imo, particularly with something as not completely modern as Marx. Maybe ABC's of Socialism.
I get what you're saying but I don't think this person is just trying to take the piss on us, from what I read here they look like just another misinformed liberal.
You're completely right about the rest tho, I usually suggest easier entry points like some stuff by the Deprogram boys, I don't know why I didn't do that this time.
When I suggested Marx I was more thinking about the manifesto since, while it's language is very dated, it is still good enough to start and get a grasp while being extremely short, but I should have said that in the comment too.
Liberals trying not to essentialize political systems into supposed "common" human culture in order to retroactively justify their own decaying societies impossible challenge.
American exceptionalism brain mf (and that's me being nice).
You could have saved the wall of text and just said America is also bad...It is.
When someone has power, power corrupts. It's a tale as old as time.
You're almost there. The problem is not that power corrupts, by this logic there's nothing you can do and every country is doomed. The issue is not individual, but collective.
The problem is that the whole structure of the system is made for the interests of the wealthy that detain all the power and not for the hard working majority of people. Lobbying is the perfect example of that.
And it's not about good or bad, but simply colliding antagonic class interests where the class that holds the power always wins.
It's easy to get doomerish and think that people or power is the problem, that's precisely the position the ruling class wants you to take because it keeps then safe and keeps us under their capitalistic boots.
I invite you to read Marx. Once you understand the systemic root cause of the issues we see everyday, it's truly freeing. I suggest the Communist Manifesto since it is really short and can get you the general grasp, just be aware that it's language is very dated.
Here are other good entry points:
Why You Should be a Socialist in 2024 by Second Thought
Will Life be Better Under Socialism? by Hakim
How Capitalism sells poverty as modesty & why equality isn't a practical goal. by Yugopnik
Unless there is someone to patiently walk them through it, they will not understand Marx trying to read it themselves. It's pretty clear from their lazy reading, sloppy replies and fall back on cliches they are either taking the piss or mildly literate at best.
No progress will be made from self-education on this one imo, particularly with something as not completely modern as Marx. Maybe ABC's of Socialism.
I get what you're saying but I don't think this person is just trying to take the piss on us, from what I read here they look like just another misinformed liberal.
You're completely right about the rest tho, I usually suggest easier entry points like some stuff by the Deprogram boys, I don't know why I didn't do that this time.
When I suggested Marx I was more thinking about the manifesto since, while it's language is very dated, it is still good enough to start and get a grasp while being extremely short, but I should have said that in the comment too.
Power over others represents a problem, power with and through others (collective power) represents a solution.
Liberals trying not to essentialize political systems into supposed "common" human culture in order to retroactively justify their own decaying societies impossible challenge.
American exceptionalism brain mf (and that's me being nice).