This is somewhat inspired by the Chuggaconroy - Lady Emily situation and specifically this possible explanation for it that someone brought up, but its not really about that (but if you want to discuss this specific instance, feel free, im looking for some moral clarity on if anyway). Its a thought ive been having for a literal decade

I think nd advocacy and feminism do not intersect cleanly. I dont want to get into details, but i have been in the position of harassing someone without realizing i was doing that multiple times in my life. I think autistic men do often fuck up socially with women in a way that is recieved as harassment.

And i do think the autistic man is still acountable for that and needs to learn better in the future.

But i also wonder a lot about how to best deal with the intersection.

There are other issues as well. Like making the world more accessible and safe for people with Rejection-Sensative Dysphoria, but also protecting a woman's (and people in general's) right to say "no". And connected to this, de-stigmatizing ND behaviors while protecting women's right to social autonomy and trust their "creep-dar". (Because i think sometimes ND behaviors can sometimes ping someones creep-dar even if the ND person means no harm at all, because lf the stigmatization).

Im also aware there is a body of writing by Autistic women feminists criticizing the behavior of many autistic men, but im not totally sure how to incorporate that.

  • Red_Eclipse [she/her]
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    6 months ago

    The way I go about it is I always give benefit of the doubt at first, then communicate boundaries clearly, and if the person crosses it again knowingly after I communicated very clearly, that's how you know for sure they're a creep. Like for that guy I would have said something like "I get shoes are your special interest and all, and that's great, but now that I know you have a feet kink, and you want pictures of me wearing shoes... it's a bit weird, you know? I don't wanna do that"

    And if they say oh I get it and then stop, then it's fine. But if they keep pushing then you know they're being a sex pest and you can tell them to fuck off.

    • autismdragon [he/him, comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      6 months ago

      Yeah. In one of my cases there was a situation where the person said their boundaries, but when they later said they only drew those boundaries because of a misunderstanding about my past (complicated) I thought the situation changed. I also accidentally singled to her that line drawing would be met with anger from me, so when i picked things back up she "humored me" for six months and her "humoring me" came off as enthusiastic consent. So i had no idea anything was wrong.

      Worse thing was that she is autistic too so it was a whole mess.

      (Also yeah with the Chugga thing it kinda bothers me that Emily is making a public thing about this when she never made her discomfort clear to him.)

      • Red_Eclipse [she/her]
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        6 months ago

        Ah yeah the ND double-bind lol. I once wrote off a male friend because I thought he was being "creepy", but it turns out he's ND too and just impulsively says weird shit to be funny. He's actually quite hilarious. We're like best friends now that I understand him better.