ngl russia is not making it easy to give critical support lol

  • M68040 [they/them]
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    9 months ago

    I find people in general tiresome. They all do this shit to us for some reason or another. Makes it hard not to have hard feelings about the whole thing.

    • voight [he/him, any]
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      9 months ago

      Being against the Uganda anti-homosexuality act doesn't mean you stop supporting anti-imperialist struggle and freeing Africa from the debt system.

      I don't know what it is about Russia being a bit more developed and having a capitalist government which has shifted a bit towards nationalization of resources since the collapse of the USSR that makes people think "imperialist predation on this country demands neutrality" whereas the same issue is obvious to them in Africa. Except when it's Ethiopia... man all it takes is Radio War Nerd to be like "fuck these guys" 😩😫😩😩😫 and they have an army of these chumps out of nowhere

      Most propagandized people in history fr fr

        • WithoutFurtherBelay
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          9 months ago

          Fuck you genuinely, I’m so tired of people having to constantly reaffirm how that they still have support for Russia or whatever just so they can avoid getting shamed for being pissed about homophobia wrong.

          None of the people you @‘d give a single flying fuck about Biden’s state, they want it gone probably more than you. They’re not the ones trying to claim critical support isn’t enough for a capitalist shithole run by one of the fuckers who dissolved the USSR, a shithole that like all capitalist shitholes literally has only “better than the US” as it’s one redeeming quality. You’re the only one here limited by pragmatism, chasing a dream of solidarity from capitalists that will never come.

          I DO support Russia because it’s better than the fucked up, genocidal United States, but my support doesn’t have to extend any further than that. My enemy of my enemy is my friend, but that doesn’t mean I have to accept the fact that they hate entire swathes of people like me and make them outright illegal. They [Edit: meaning, whichever legislators have made homosexuality there illegal] have reactionary beliefs and that is an objective truth.

          No one here is more angry at Russia than Africa or whatever, my critical support extends identically to all of those countries, and will stop being critical once they fix those issues. As they probably will once colonialist influence and material pressure from the US fades!

          Go fuck yourself. And stop assuming people are idiots just so it conforms to your worldview.

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              • Adkml [he/him]
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                9 months ago

                They told me to fuck off and die repeatedly after one comment saying we shouldnt throw lgbtq people under the bus to support russia lol

              • voight [he/him, any]
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                9 months ago

                For instance, fake news is fine if it's obvious enough that people can complain about it being unfunny. None of the rules make any sense. That's why this place is going to continue growing at a pace slower than it loses people while transphobia.coding or whatever gets 30,000 users

                • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
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                  9 months ago

                  That's why this place is going to continue growing at a pace slower than it loses people while transphobia.coding or whatever gets 30,000 users

                  I'm pretty sure that's actually because we represent a super fringe ideology within the Anglo-sphere that's not likely to have a resurgence anytime soon, not cuz our mod policies aren't airtight

                  • voight [he/him, any]
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                    9 months ago

                    It's a corollary to the issue with trying to ratio a congressperson. Even if you succeed it doesn't do anything.

                    I don't think we should be making overtures to techbros who are clearly unempathetic in addition to not being materially interested in anti imperialist revolution. like people on the other lemmies. hyper redditors

                    • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
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                      9 months ago

                      Okay sorry but this one is a bit hard to parse. Can you like, reiterate with less very online leftist guy posting energy?

                      • voight [he/him, any]
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                        9 months ago

                        basically everything that makes a guy a redditor, right? like what makes a guy go on the Chicago sub Reddit and become a power poster. It shouldn't surprise anyone when you find out that these people are like Raytheon weirdos or their landlord do you know

                        go to the people who have the fakest ass job, work at salesforce, any of that shit, or they make their money off of investments are off of finance. Those are not the people we need to propagandize for any reason

                        So what I'm saying is Lenny is a fucking shit hole I don't care what anyone there thinks. I kind of care what you guys think because like your analysis is interesting to me not just because I like take it as gospel but because like it's understand me where you're coming from.

                        • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
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                          9 months ago

                          So what I'm saying is Lenny is a fucking shit hole I don't care what anyone there thinks. I kind of care what you guys think because like your analysis is interesting to me not just because I like take it as gospel but because like it's understand me where you're coming from.

                          Okay, but like this seems in conflict with your earlier complaint about the sub stagnating in growth. The reason were this way is cuz we basically keep this community as a sound proofed bunker from the rest of bazinga brained society (threw that one in there to try and make you feel included)

                          • voight [he/him, any]
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                            9 months ago

                            Oh yea I'm saying like any attempt to take on aspects of the other communities for growth would be stupid as fuck. But this site should still be attracting crazed ideology soup brained twitteroids like me, ya dig.

                            Like ngl I have invited many people here and they almost all got instantly banned and were like these people suck, but I also don't disagree with why they were banned. I just told them to subscribe to the bulletins and news rss

                            Like that was how I found out one of them was an egoist

                            The most annoying time of online argument person possible! We just swapped Covid bews

                            • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
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                              9 months ago

                              But this site should still be attracting crazed ideology soup brained twitteroids like me, ya dig.

                              I'd rather it cuz that gaggle includes a lot of weirdos, like actual NatBols, dudes who think the cancer causing affects of cigarettes are Western propaganda, trans neo Nazis who support the DPRK (real person fyi), and like ML furry porn artists who think all other furries are d*generate, including them but they kinda get a pass cuz they made a cartoon of Bear Stalin fucking Horse Mao (that one I made up but it's probably real).

                              Granted Elon taking over has chased a lot of those types away.

                              • voight [he/him, any]
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                                9 months ago

                                I think that at some point you all need to consider that your main reference point (Hinkkkle) for "nazbols" is a literal actual US intelligence and Mossad asset in broad daylight.

                                • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
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                                  9 months ago

                                  Idk what else I'm supposed to call a dude with a tattoo of both Stalin and Czar Nicholas III than "NazBol"

                                  • voight [he/him, any]
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                                    9 months ago

                                    It's just a leftist version of horseshoe theory at this point with the way it's been brought up past 2 years on social media lol

                                      • voight [he/him, any]
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                                        9 months ago

                                        Dennis King - Lyndon LaRouche and the new American fascism (1989, Doubleday) - libgen.li.pdf 13.2 MB https://files.catbox.moe/j9bbdk.pdf

                                        Do you want a book about them? Because the original LaRouche wanted intelligence collaboration so desperately they still of course got burned despite being just the cheapest assets ever

                                        • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
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                                          9 months ago

                                          I mean yeah, that's what NazBols, PatSocs and LaRoushites are, fascists who like public ownership a bit more than the OG Nazis did.

                            • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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                              9 months ago

                              I know I am way late to this little party, but this site absolutely should not cater to the brain-dead dopamine addled posting of completely vacuous morons who mistake ideological masturbation for philosophy. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having base-line agreement of certain theoretical stances and then arguing on extrapolations, rather than circle-jerking on whether or not reality is really real for the umpteenth time like a fourteen year old who just discovered Descartes.

                        • Egon
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                      • voight [he/him, any]
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                        9 months ago

                        all right, that one's indecipherable give me a second to fix that I'm walking. I don't know what the fuck is Sansui is

                        • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
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                          9 months ago

                          I don't know what the fuck is Sansui is

                          Okay this prompts me to ask, what is the writing process that "guys like you" have for comments like these? Cuz you pull out weird ass lingo even seasoned Marxists consider obscure and odd turns of phrases that reference weirdly niche shit, so niche apparently YOU don't even fully understand them. Like are you just googling random shit every 10 seconds that's only vaguely connected to the topic at hand and then just try and shoe horn it into the comment or is this crap all just stuff you half remember via osmosis and you're typing steam of consciousness style?

                          You actually seem to respond to people unlike the various interactions of BMF so I'm hoping for some insight here.

                          • voight [he/him, any]
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                            9 months ago

                            I mentioned in another random comment this is mostly automatic writing or dictation that I scream while walking around

                            • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
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                              9 months ago

                              Regardless of anything else, I don't think this is the most healthy or productive way to post and, genuinely, perhaps log off for a bit a touch grass.

                                • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
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                                  9 months ago

                                  gay shitposting and the ANSWER coalition Brian Becker motherfuckers. You are all just waiting until you realize kids here have nothing protecting them from Uvalde 2

                                  Back to square one then I guess

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                                  • voight [he/him, any]
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                                    9 months ago

                                    gay shitposting and the ANSWER coalition Brian Becker motherfuckers

                                    literally this and UNIONIZE UNIONIZE LOCAL ELECTIONS LOCAL ELECTIONS LOCAL ELECTIONS loll

                                    buddy that's all I've got, there is nothing but square one here

                      • voight [he/him, any]
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                        9 months ago

                        well, I mean I could go into my rant where I try and describe what I think represents the labor aristocracy in core countries or in India, like there's a labor aristocracy there that benefits from the sub imperialism very distinctly also, sorry if I don't take any dictation errors and this is hot

              • voight [he/him, any]
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                9 months ago

                That's the point, it's fine when people dish it out at me as long as there's a general perception of righteous nonsense around it. Keep deflecting then hovering whenever you can't refute a point if you want.

                • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
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                  9 months ago

                  Keep deflecting then hovering whenever you can't refute a point if you want.

                  I actually mostly agree with you, was just pointing out you haven't been exactly sweet as peach cobbler in this thread so, yah know, don't be surprised if someone tells you to fuck off.

                  • voight [he/him, any]
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                    9 months ago

                    Oh yeah as far as hostility related to pointing out international pressure against the Russian govt from you all has clearly backfired. Meanwhile our own govts offer nothing other than meaningless aesthetic victories. I didn't mean just related to me also incredibly funny idiom.

                    Idk you just pop up to say "new site tagline" which I find funny bc it's part of the whole culture here of flip flopping between demanding people take this highly interchangeable medium of communication seriously as a Cool Hangout Space and telling people they are too online

                    • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
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                      9 months ago

                      whole culture here of flip flopping between demanding people take this highly interchangeable medium of communication seriously as a Cool Hangout Space and telling people they are too online

                      Well fyi I lean pretty hard in the "cool hangout space" direction so don't single me out here. The more serious discussions we have can be informative but let's be honest, none of this shit we don't on this niche forum is likely to ever affect anything in the real world. That includes criticizing Russia for its regressive LGBT policies AND supporting it in its fight against NATO.

                      Edit: also did you pull a Ulysses's and edit your comment without making it clear which part is an edit? Cuz this is reading differently then when I first saw it.

                        • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
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                          9 months ago

                          arguments they used to scold people for "supporting the Russian govt"

                          Who's getting scolded for that here? I see people saying they think the Russian governments treatment of queer people is bad (which it is) and then you scolding them for brining it up.

                          Your original point about this being a garbage propaganda outlet that OP shouldn't have posted here stands, but seems the story they reported on did actually happen. So... what just not acknowledge it? Or only acknowledge it while also acknowledging that Russia is a force against US hegemony? Cuz if it's the latter that seems like what most people are already doing here.

                    • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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                      9 months ago

                      It is both of those things, since they are not contradictory. It is a cool hangout space for way too online leftists who need to touch grass. Posting here is fun, but it is not praxis and we should never ever forget that, even if we never ever log off.

    • MayoPete [he/him, comrade/them]
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      9 months ago

      Same... people just generally suck.

      Sometimes I wish I was a turtle, or a bird. Not worried about some mayo-chugging animal attacking me because penises taste good.

      Just vibing in my tree 🌳🐦