ngl russia is not making it easy to give critical support lol

  • Dolores [love/loves]
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    9 months ago

    "the imperial powers use lgbt rights/feminism as a wedge fot justifying imperialism" ought to be met with these governments resolving the grievances of these movements so they can't be coopted into anti-government plots. russia-cool it's bad morally and it's bad strategy,

    • Adkml [he/him]
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      9 months ago

      Yea "they're pointing out a bad thing we do to make us look bad" is pretty fucking weak

        • Adkml [he/him]
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          9 months ago

          Lmao people talking about lack of nuance and everything either being good or bad but yea saying that it's bad Russia jails lgbtq people obviously means everybody is saying they hope imperialism happens to them, even though all those comments are literally explicitly saying that's not what they're saying.

          This is indistinguishable from when liberals say we should throw minorities under the bus by not being so concerned about racism or transphobia to appeal to the mythical moderate conservative.

          • voight [he/him, any]
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            9 months ago

            Sure let's just throw out the entire context with how the phrase Critical Support is actually used and how everyone has behaved since February 2022

            • Adkml [he/him]
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              9 months ago

              This really confirms my theory that nobody on this site knows what critical support means.

              Critical support means you support somebody while also CRITICIZING the bad things they do.

              Critical support doesn't mean you support everything somebody does even if some of the things are bad.

                • Adkml [he/him]
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                  9 months ago

                  Then enlighten us. Maybe you could try telling us all what it means instead of just telling anybody who says it's bad to jail people to fuck off and die.

                    • Adkml [he/him]
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                      9 months ago

                      Another highly compelling argument that doesn't at all confirm my suspicion.

                      Between this and telling everybody to fuck off and die I can't see how anybody would possibly have any disagreements with you.

                      Thanks for giving us all a masterclass in what being very not mad looks like.

            • Adkml [he/him]
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              9 months ago

              Lmao oh OK when you put it that way I see your point, it is good that Russia throws gay people in jail.

              Wow it's way easier to win arguments when you just make up other people positions.

        • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
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          9 months ago

          "Uh oh Russia, you're going on the list of Bad Countries where I don't care if imperialism happens to you :("

          Being against the Uganda anti-homosexuality act doesn't mean you stop supporting anti-imperialist struggle and freeing Africa from the debt system.

    • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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      9 months ago

      That's what some socialist countries are doing, like Cuba and Vietnam. I don't expect a lot out of Russia though.

    • WithoutFurtherBelay
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      9 months ago

      Yeah, but the thing is that I don’t want imperialism to happen, even to “bad” countries. It should be resolved internally but if it isn’t, letting the US use it as a propaganda is also bad.

      But like, I dunno

      • Dolores [love/loves]
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        9 months ago

        well we're not on the steps of the US capitol demanding the US invade over this, are we? we're just analyzing or yelling in the void

        • WithoutFurtherBelay
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          9 months ago

          Yeah, thinking about it… I guess the concern is that some liberal will see our posts and come away with ONLY the part where we say some conservatives in Russia exist and are bad and came from deep money originating in the West? But then why would they want to invade or kill people in Russia when that implies the US is at fault anyways?