• SoyViking [he/him]
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    4 months ago

    Not just Germans btw. Danes are the same. Being anti-nuclear is considered a standard leftist view here and the fight against nuclear power was considere one of the 1980's environmental movement's greatest wins. Being pro-nuclear is coded as a right-wing message around here that you mostly have to trigger the left.

      • fanbois [he/him]
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        4 months ago

        Nuclear power is literally more expensive at this point than renewables. No, you can't keep using the shitty, cracking, deadly waste producing nuclear plants of the past, not even the power companies want that, and building new ones takes over 10 years, not counting all the planning and beaurocracy you have to go through. And to become CO2 neutral after all the excavation, construction and mining necessary takes another decade. Nuclear power plants are MASSIVE engineering undertakings.

        Meanwhile modern windmills can be mass-produced right now and take like 5 years depending on their placement to be both cost and CO2 neutral. After that it's LITERALLY free energy for a good 30 years. And they become cheaper and bigger and more efficient every single year. And btw if you ever pull out an article or a calculation that is older than a year for any comparison, you are dealing with OLD data. They have become far more efficient and flexible in their placement and will likely continue to do so.

        The anti-nuclear protests were completely right. Stop playing the people who wanted a safer world without nuclear waste and incidents against the modern climate movement.

        TL;DR: Wheels on windmill go brrrr, nuclear power is not a short term solution and never has been.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
          hexagon
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          4 months ago

          Nuclear and renewables are complementary technologies, renewables are a much more volatile source of energy. Also, when people say renewables are cheaper they're not counting the total lifecycle of things like wndmills and solar panels.

          • HexBroke [any, comrade/them]
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            4 months ago

            when people say renewables are cheaper they're not counting the total lifecycle of things like... solar panels.

            Yeah the LCOE of solar is likely ridiculously low because they still work decades after th started 25 year life used in levelised cost calculations

            Nuclear in the west is so tremendously expensive we may as give up until China makes SMRs cheap

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
              hexagon
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              4 months ago

              I mean China is already making all the solar panels at this point, so we might as well wait for them to role out nuclear globally.

              • CloutAtlas [he/him]
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                4 months ago

                Good news, the Chinese artificial sun has reached 403 seconds of stability. Up from 100 seconds 7 years ago. Once it reaches 1000 seconds at 50,000,000 Kelvin, it would mean it produces more energy than igniting the "sun" would cost.

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
                  hexagon
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                  4 months ago

                  I do think it's very likely that we'll see fusion working within our lifetimes. If China manages to get a fusion plant online then that really will solve all the energy problems for the foreseeable future.

        • Gabu@lemmy.ml
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          4 months ago

          After that it’s LITERALLY free energy for a good 30 years.

          If you ignore the other environmental costs, you mean. Just like solar, which causes untold damages from the disposal of mining refuse, but that gets conveniently ignored by first world nations, because most of the mining doesn't happen where you live.