Ah yes, famously conservative media like One Piece, Ghost in the Shell, Gundam, Princess Mononoke, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, and Cowboy Bebop

  • DyingOfDeBordom [none/use name]
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    9 months ago

    What the fuck is conservative about a show about an elf who outlives her friends and kinda has a midlife crisis about that before going on an adventure to get to know them and other people better

    • Hestia [comrade/them, she/her]
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      9 months ago

      There's an episode where she attacks a demon on sight under the assumption that all members of the demon race are evil, and instead of it being a learning moment it's all like: "yeah, demons are all evil." And she's vindicated in her desire to kill all demons.

      • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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        9 months ago

        I get that some people ascribe fascist undertones to this show, but imo it can just as easily be read as "the demons are the fascists".

        For instance it's established early on that one of their goals is to genocide the elves.

          • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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            9 months ago

            I mean the demons in this show make it clear that they're literally incapable of co-existing with anyone else and will kill other races whenever given the opportunity. It's not a matter of what anyone "thinks", they're willingly admitting to it. You know, kinda like fascists.

              • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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                9 months ago

                I'm unconvinced that the average fascist wouldn't root for the demons though. The way they are written as arrogant, devoid of empathy, obsessed with hierarchy and so on, would at the very least appeal to the chan-brained fash contingent.

                For all we know that could be exactly why this guy included it in his weird-ass list.

                  • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]
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                    9 months ago

                    I suck at media crit and am just generally not very good with words, but I'm gonna take one last stab at this.

                    The point I'm trying to make is that reading fascist intent into things like people are doing with Frieren could be just massively overthinking things.

                    Look at it this way: While it's true that, say, stories about zombies and alien invasions were originally based on a reactionary fear of "the other", I sincerely doubt that the vast majority of people who write these sort of stories in our current time sit down and make a conscious decision of using them as allegories for immigration or anti-colonialism or whatever. They just grew up with these tropes and want to build an interesting world around them that has nothing at all to do with what connotations they may have had like a century or more ago. The phrase "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" comes to mind.

                    So fascists and socialists could both be wrong in reading these stories as supporting fascism.

                    Does that make sense?

        • Bay_of_Piggies [he/him, comrade/them]
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          9 months ago

          Yeah, but fascists aren't born that way. Its an ideology. The demons as presented are inherently evil, it's not because of their social conditions.

            • Bay_of_Piggies [he/him, comrade/them]
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              9 months ago

              Because they look and talk like humans? You don't see anything problematic about a group humanoid people being inherently evil? This isn't some new critique of fanatasy. Having inherently evil races is race science 101.