If we have a link to the page we can go through it on the modlog or even using the wayback machine to see what was actually said though, and even if we can't, we could still see what the tankie is saying and see if it also violates the rules.
you talk about tankies a lot. are they in the room with you right now? why do you keep getting into arguments about a 1950s fascist counter-revolution in hungary?
I had a spare 30 seconds. You're really boring and unoriginal. I was at least hoping for a good laugh. Maybe don't harass people in PMs if you don't want admins to ban you? That might help.
"I just went in their DMs and kept demanding people debate me after it was clear they weren't interested in talking to me and wouldn't leave them alone!"
"I'm totally the victim here guys!"
Also, for a guy who said you have "better things to do" you sure do like wasting your time trying to start arguments in the comments here while insisting you don't have time for that.
"I just went in their DMs and kept demanding people debate me after it was clear they weren't interested in talking to me and wouldn't leave them alone!"
it was an essay that it's self referenced the black book of communism and talked about the limitations of that particular text; then went on to talk about other obscenely large figures of deaths at the hands of maoism from other sourcea. so yeah, the 70 million figure may have been incorrect, but that doesn't mean a lot of people didnt die.
i'm not getting into this conversation again though, i got banned last time, so dont reply expecting me to take the bait.
Just in general, the deaths argument is really bad. Under Mao Chinese life expectancy more than doubled - even if we take at face value the largest estimates for the famine, far, far more people lived longer, happier, and healthier lives as a result of Mao's policies than had their lives ended prematurely by them.
And that's before getting into the incredibly muddy waters of culpability - the famine was preceded by a drought, how many of the deaths then are the CPC's fault and how many are strictly the fault of nature? The CPC in part worsened the famine by implementing bad agricultural science - but they didn't know it was bad agricultural science at the time, should they be held responsible for it anyway? And so on and so on.
then went on to talk about other obscenely large figures of deaths at the hands of maoism from other sourcea.
Ending the practice of footbinding alone justifies every single thing Mao ever did. You don't even have to include the fact that life expectancy was 33 years old at the time of the revolution starting, or that it went UP during the revolution, during a period of 2 civil wars and a brutal fascist invasion, because the communists were still somehow improving more lives under those conditions. Life expectancy was in the 60s by Mao's death.
Did he make mistakes? Sure he did, he shouldn't have killed all the sparrows and the cultural revolution was kinda hit n miss mostly miss. But come the fuck on lifespans do not go UP while people's lives are getting worse, shorter, or whatever.
Footbinding on the other hand was a brutal horrific practicing affecting 50% of all poor women and 100% of rich women. For a thousand years. Holy shit yes Mao was justified.
This is ultra basic stuff mate you're better than this. 70% good, 30% bad. Overall an obviously positive effect on China. Taking "a lot of people died" out of context and into isolation instead of comparing it to how many people were already dying and how things improved is pure hog brained propaganda and you shouldn't fill your head with that method of looking at things, it's the analysis of a literal child or someone that is criminally thick.
That's no good. Can you provide a link to these arguments so we can make sure that the admins aren't abusing their power?
well the same admin deleted those posts at the same time so... no
If we have a link to the page we can go through it on the modlog or even using the wayback machine to see what was actually said though, and even if we can't, we could still see what the tankie is saying and see if it also violates the rules.
yeah i love tanks man
you talk about tankies a lot. are they in the room with you right now? why do you keep getting into arguments about a 1950s fascist counter-revolution in hungary?
Look, I just think Stalin shouldn't have stopped at Berlin, but you tankies wouldn't understand.
you're welcome to go digging through the modlog if you like. i have better things to be doing with my time
no you don't because you're still here crying
helpful, thanks for your input
I had a spare 30 seconds. You're really boring and unoriginal. I was at least hoping for a good laugh. Maybe don't harass people in PMs if you don't want admins to ban you? That might help.
helpful, thanks for your input.
also i never harrassed anyone. i responded only to people who were replying to me after mods/admins took away my ability to do so publically
"I never harassed anyone!"
"I just went in their DMs and kept demanding people debate me after it was clear they weren't interested in talking to me and wouldn't leave them alone!"
"I'm totally the victim here guys!"
Also, for a guy who said you have "better things to do" you sure do like wasting your time trying to start arguments in the comments here while insisting you don't have time for that.
"I just went in their DMs and kept demanding people debate me after it was clear they weren't interested in talking to me and wouldn't leave them alone!"
citation needed. that is not what happened
all the rest of your comment is bad faith guff
helpful, thanks for sharing
Based on your comment history that's what it seems like. Unless you'd care to share those DMs and prove us damn tankies wrong.
I know you won't though, because you were harassing people.
helpful, thanks for sharing
So what was your source? Was it the black book of communism?
it was an essay that it's self referenced the black book of communism and talked about the limitations of that particular text; then went on to talk about other obscenely large figures of deaths at the hands of maoism from other sourcea. so yeah, the 70 million figure may have been incorrect, but that doesn't mean a lot of people didnt die.
i'm not getting into this conversation again though, i got banned last time, so dont reply expecting me to take the bait.
Just in general, the deaths argument is really bad. Under Mao Chinese life expectancy more than doubled - even if we take at face value the largest estimates for the famine, far, far more people lived longer, happier, and healthier lives as a result of Mao's policies than had their lives ended prematurely by them.
And that's before getting into the incredibly muddy waters of culpability - the famine was preceded by a drought, how many of the deaths then are the CPC's fault and how many are strictly the fault of nature? The CPC in part worsened the famine by implementing bad agricultural science - but they didn't know it was bad agricultural science at the time, should they be held responsible for it anyway? And so on and so on.
Ending the practice of footbinding alone justifies every single thing Mao ever did. You don't even have to include the fact that life expectancy was 33 years old at the time of the revolution starting, or that it went UP during the revolution, during a period of 2 civil wars and a brutal fascist invasion, because the communists were still somehow improving more lives under those conditions. Life expectancy was in the 60s by Mao's death.
Did he make mistakes? Sure he did, he shouldn't have killed all the sparrows and the cultural revolution was kinda hit n miss mostly miss. But come the fuck on lifespans do not go UP while people's lives are getting worse, shorter, or whatever.
Footbinding on the other hand was a brutal horrific practicing affecting 50% of all poor women and 100% of rich women. For a thousand years. Holy shit yes Mao was justified.
This is ultra basic stuff mate you're better than this. 70% good, 30% bad. Overall an obviously positive effect on China. Taking "a lot of people died" out of context and into isolation instead of comparing it to how many people were already dying and how things improved is pure hog brained propaganda and you shouldn't fill your head with that method of looking at things, it's the analysis of a literal child or someone that is criminally thick.
Helpful. Thanks for your input.